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Damaged Lap Belt?

Txl

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Txl » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:05:42

volvo has been having this system in their passenger cars for years and
years now, apparently it works fine, makes the car a bit heavier and you use
more fuel but the day you crash into another car you are happy about the
extra fuel you spent.

Wouldn't help much on a 300+ kph crash into a wall though



> You didn't seem to read his post.  The "steel front clip" routes the
engine
> beneath the driver in a wreck...instead of the normal lack of routing
which
> sends the engine into the driver compartment if it goes anywhere.

> JB





> > >Here's one I'll toss out:  General Motors engineers design a generic,
> > >hydroformed steel front clip for all NASCAR teams to use under their
> > >cars.  It's designed to collapse in a way that is favorable to the
> > >driver in absorbing energy and also route the engine beneath the
> > >driver's compartment to further enlarge the available crush space in
> > >front of the***pit.

> > I'm not sure I follow you on putting the engine below the driver,
> > since you're already sitting on bare aluminum 5 inches off the track.
> > I wonder about placing the engine behind the driver?
> > The front of the car is then wide open for a crush zone and armored
> > footwell. This layout has definitely proven itself in CART and F1, and
> > has been proving itself in drag racing since the early 60's.

> > The only thing is that we're then getting precariously far away from
> > the concept of "stock" cars.
> > Yes, I realize a 750 horsepower, rear wheel drive V8 has absolutely
> > NOTHING to do with the front wheel drive V6's they represent, but I
> > can still image a big stink... Such is NASCAR.

> > Tim

Tim

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Tim » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:08:48


>You didn't seem to read his post.  The "steel front clip" routes the engine
>beneath the driver in a wreck...instead of the normal lack of routing which
>sends the engine into the driver compartment if it goes anywhere.

I re-read it, and got it that time. The first time I read that
sentence I didn't get his meaning.

Tim

Glockenspie

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Glockenspie » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:48:47


Brett,

I saw on one of the many shows this week (think it was on RPM2NITE)
that a place in Indiana makes these "soft walls". I guess a few F1
tracks have already ordered and installed them for the upcoming
season. These walls, when seen from a cross-sectional view, look like
big radiators. they have 2 layers, one being *** and the other some
other material. On the inside they are shaped like radiator fins, and
the walls come in sections which can be easily replaced after 3 major
impacts take place. They are hard enough that there would not be the
need for any clean up after a wreck, like with traditional foam soft
walls. However, and this is exactly what they said on
TV.........Traditional concrete walls only absorbs 5% of the energy
before it reaches the drivers body. These new walls absorb 95% of the
energy before it reaches the driver. 95%!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to RPM2NITE, it would cost $1.2 Mil. to fit a 1 1/2 mile
track with these walls. They sound like something NASCAR needs to
SERIOUSLY look into. And, those tight-assed track owners should foot
the bill, especially with the way ticket prices go up on an annual
basis. I think France and Helton  could make it real easy for the
track owners to decide...............No new walls, no races.

Todd

>Let's have some ideas, folks and stop thumping our chests and wringing
>our hands over this.

>Regards,
>Brett C. Cammack

>(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Graeme Nas

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Graeme Nas » Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:45:51

Because then he would automatically become part of the silent majority
who obviously agree with everything you say....

--
Cheers!
Graeme Nash

Barton Brow

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Barton Brow » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:25:35


> It's a lost cause trying to talk sense to some here.

The hard part is starting out with some sense in the first place, so,
yes; for you it's definitely a lost cause. Why not give it up and find a
relaxing hobby, like macram?

Just an idea...

BB

Brett C. Camma

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Brett C. Camma » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:04:14


>I'm not sure I follow you on putting the engine below the driver,
>since you're already sitting on bare aluminum 5 inches off the track.
>I wonder about placing the engine behind the driver?

Actually, it only goes there if the front end collapses.  <g>  I think
Volvos used to tout that their front ends were designed so that the
drivetrain would submarine the***pit in a frontend collision instead
of displacing straight back into it or simply staying in place and
ruining the crumple zone characteristics.

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack

(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Brett C. Camma

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Brett C. Camma » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:06:27


>I saw on one of the many shows this week (think it was on RPM2NITE)
>that a place in Indiana makes these "soft walls". I guess a few F1
>tracks have already ordered and installed them for the upcoming
>season. These walls, when seen from a cross-sectional view, look like
>big radiators. they have 2 layers, one being *** and the other some
>other material. On the inside they are shaped like radiator fins, and
>the walls come in sections which can be easily replaced after 3 major
>impacts take place.

Sounds like another good solution.  It will be interesting to see how
the track owners and NASCAR will respond when the major sponsors start
twisting their arms about the loss of their valuable marketing
merchandise. (i.e. drivers)

Regards,
Brett C. Cammack

(remove the DOTs from my return address to reply privately)

Marty U'Re

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Marty U'Re » Mon, 26 Feb 2001 05:27:42

I had the same reaction...NASCAR cover-up. Much points to it.

I recall initial reports saying there were no *** injuries, which NASCAR
didn't dispute I expect because they
needed to defend Earnharts use of an open face helmet. So the belts did their
job. Now a subsequent NASCAR
report of a failed lap belt. VERY suspicious when taken together with their
previous responses to criticism
of lack of safety development.

Marty


> OK...I don't watch the X-Files but something here smells.

> 5 days after the accident and now NASCAR suddenly has this torn seat belt to
> clear them of any wrong doing or responsibility for the lack of enforced
> safety standards. Oddly though, the doctor's report and all other accounts
> until this point failed to mention anything to do with this issue - even
> though they where in the car and extracted his body from it meaning they
> would have easily seen a seat belt damaged enough to cause his body to move
> about the***pit.

> And still, a damage lap belt doesn't explain the basalar skull fracture
> described in almost all of the doctors previous accounts. If something
> sickens you people it should be this blatent cover up of the truth to shift
> the blame away from them and their lack of saftey regulations. Maybe they
> were getting tired of hearing about the HANS device and why they don't
> implement it like CART and F1 - and see...they are right, it would not have
> helped because he died due to a failed safety device.

> Before you flame me take a look at this and tell me I'm crazy and NASCAR is
> doing everything it can to protect it's drivers.

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Davi

Damaged Lap Belt?

by Davi » Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:36:29

Well I am betting the reason it was mentioned that seat belt broke is due
to a Yahoo news shot of the interior of the car.  The bent steering wheel
and some other***things kinda give it away that something hit the
steering wheel hard.

Dave



> I had the same reaction...NASCAR cover-up. Much points to it.

> I recall initial reports saying there were no *** injuries, which
NASCAR
> didn't dispute I expect because they
> needed to defend Earnharts use of an open face helmet. So the belts did
their
> job. Now a subsequent NASCAR
> report of a failed lap belt. VERY suspicious when taken together with
their
> previous responses to criticism
> of lack of safety development.

> Marty


> > OK...I don't watch the X-Files but something here smells.

> > 5 days after the accident and now NASCAR suddenly has this torn seat
belt to
> > clear them of any wrong doing or responsibility for the lack of
enforced
> > safety standards. Oddly though, the doctor's report and all other
accounts
> > until this point failed to mention anything to do with this issue -
even
> > though they where in the car and extracted his body from it meaning
they
> > would have easily seen a seat belt damaged enough to cause his body to
move
> > about the***pit.

> > And still, a damage lap belt doesn't explain the basalar skull fracture
> > described in almost all of the doctors previous accounts. If something
> > sickens you people it should be this blatent cover up of the truth to
shift
> > the blame away from them and their lack of saftey regulations. Maybe
they
> > were getting tired of hearing about the HANS device and why they don't
> > implement it like CART and F1 - and see...they are right, it would not
have
> > helped because he died due to a failed safety device.

> > Before you flame me take a look at this and tell me I'm crazy and
NASCAR is
> > doing everything it can to protect it's drivers.

> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/


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