rec.autos.simulators

>True, but is that because those people had more time to learn the track
>AND had more time to get to know the car AND/OR had more time to get
>their setup right?

>What you say is true, but adds nothing to the discussion.

>// Johan

>> With sims, 99.99% of the time, the fastest hotlappers are the ones who
have
>> the most hours behind the wheel. It's as simple as that. Some guys have
40,
>> 60, even 75+ hours with the GPL demo alone. Now that the warez version is
>> being used by some, those people will have a huge head start in any
league
>> or hotlap board.

>> Dave
>> DmndDave

>In the case of the GPL demo, the hotlappers spent more time getting the
feel
>of the cars, track, and the entire game engine. Setups were not an option.

>Dave
>DmndDave

>>True, but is that because those people had more time to learn the track
>>AND had more time to get to know the car AND/OR had more time to get
>>their setup right?

>>What you say is true, but adds nothing to the discussion.

>>// Johan

>>> With sims, 99.99% of the time, the fastest hotlappers are the ones who
>have
>>> the most hours behind the wheel. It's as simple as that. Some guys have
>40,
>>> 60, even 75+ hours with the GPL demo alone. Now that the warez version
is
>>> being used by some, those people will have a huge head start in any
>league
>>> or hotlap board.

>>> Dave
>>> DmndDave

> >This is not sour grapes, I want to get one in the near future and I am so
> >convinced that this is the only difference.  So while the cars at present in
> >the demo are 100% compatible the difference in many of the times is in what
> >controller you use!

> I'm not too sure about that. One of the other testers drives with a
> joystick, and has a faster time around Watkins Glen than the gamestats
> record and indeed all the other testers. Some of the Papy guys also
> use 'sticks and are very, very fast. It's just a case of getting used
> to the controller.

>I'd say the fastest ones are the talented ones with the most hours
>behind the wheel - some people can drive forever and enjoy the hell
>out of it but still be relatively slow. Beyond that I'd agree that,
>hotlapping equates to time spent behind the wheel and generally a
>willingness to try a lap time and time again until you finally get it
>right. It's quite unrealistic IMO and not at all comparable to someone
>who can turn a quick lap within a fixed time and without crashing.

>Still, the main thing in GPL will be online racing, and that requires
>you to be clean, not necessarily fast. Hopefully more fun can come
>from the racing each other than chasing the clock.

>I look forward to seeing you on the track when it's released :-)

>Cheers!
>John

>The online races will definitely be a lot of fun! I'll be looking  for you
>(in my mirrors). :-)