rec.autos.simulators

Source: TEN Rankings
Date:   11/16/97

                 Races Top 5 Top10 Inci-       Laps          
ScreenName Skill  Won  Races Races dents Laps   Led  L.P.I.
========== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ======
CRaCKstEr      0     0     6    22   173   326    71   1.88
PRoBz4eVeR     3     0    12    26    82   355     0   4.33
Gypsum         3     1     5    13    72   144    15   2.00
mykey          5     8    24    52    71   972   204  13.69
IceGator       2     0     7    25    70   315    12   4.50
jhr            0     0     6    22    68   271     8   3.99
Stevenjuke     1     0     3    16    67   165     0   2.46
Daemeon        2     0     6    25    66   395     0   5.98
FlyingV        2     2    16    41    65   314    35   4.83
Dave94         1     0    19    35    65   606     1   9.32
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Yes, John, and that's why I made no "editorial" remarks about the list.
Everyone can see in the list that LPI is included, so you can make up
your own mind about who to race with or avoid.

Besides, you can't really get a LPI "lowest" list from TEN  :)

An LPI of 14 isn't that wonderful, considering all the laps that have
been run.  My LPI is over 40, and I'm not even in the top 100.

LC

For Info purposes only, no editorial content included

Source:  TEN rankings
Date:    11/17/97

                 Races Top 5 Top10 Inci-       Laps                    
ScreenName Skill  Won  Races Races dents Laps   Led  L.P.I. Poles Races
========== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ====== ===== =====
CRaCKstEr      0     0     6    23   178   349    71   1.96     1     0
PRoBz4eVeR     4     0    14    33   125   520     0   4.16     0     4
Daemeon        2     1    10    33    92   606    34   6.59     0     2
Stevenjuke     2     0     3    21    91   239     0   2.63     0     2
FlyingV        2     2    20    49    81   417    45   5.15     4     2
mykey          5    10    30    59    79  1109   242  14.04    15     5
skullman99    15    15    52    76    78  1052   287  13.49     8    15
Gypsum         3     1     5    13    77   145    15   1.88     0     3
Cossie        14    19    37    52    75   891   369  11.88    19    14
skyway        13    14    45    68    74   914   172  12.35    17    13

==========================================
(L.P.I. = Laps Per Incident)

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- Hillside Racing #59
- The Maine Racing Pages
- LC59 on TEN

Its not the number of incidents u want 2 look at. Its Laps Per
Incident that realy matters. TEN sorts that out by best LPI not worst.
Although some of these guys with high skill do have bad LPI's.

Web Page-http://www.tiac.net/users/mazz/wffl.htm

-Brian Motisko

Raced Brian at Tally the other day, It was give and take, he passed me
with 5 to go, I caught him with 1/2 to go. Real clean racing. :)

I've had two "confrontations"  one with skyway, another with ZeeDog?? I
remained civil while recieving a lot of vulgar language.  That may
reflect were it was coming from.

Guess it's time to defend my name :)

Why so many incidents....

Because so many races....

You say but it's L/I.  Should average out.

More races mean less selective as to who you race with.

I go out, grab a pole by 0.2 sec, and get ***led on the standing
start.

Due to wheel spin, an analog throttle tends to not accelerate as fast as
keyboards and joysticks.

It's like being in a swarm of bees in turn one.

Now go to a pace lap... You lose your rear end before the green even
waves.

That increases yout lap count by 0, yet increasing yout incident count
by 1 or more.

You also can get multiple incidents related somewhat to the same crash.

Had a crash at Atlanta lost both rear wheels,  I checked up for a crash,
the guy behind me didn't.

I was stuck waiting for a tow, next car around hit me.  Pretty soon I
get hit again.  I think I counted 6 incidents, each seperated by 5 or
more seconds.  It was scary.  They just kept coming.

Another Atlanta, I got hit 3 times by one guy. The last time he was
going around backwards.

When I got out of the race he was gone.  I did a locate, and he was in
Duke.  Need I say more. :)

I think I had 5 straight races, were if one guy had a problem, it would
find me.

On the other side of the coin.

I ran 4 races tonight.

Talladega, Atlanta, C***te, Talladega

With the likes of RhawnBlack, SMOKINNU, and others.

Actually out qualified Rhawn at Tally, but NOBODY out qualifies SMOKINNU
:)

Won 1, top 5 in all.  Not involved in one incident.

Atleast 100+ laps.

So it's you, and also those you race with.

Jim, Stop me if this sounds far fetched. :)

mykey

For what it's worth.

The format of this data has been edited to fit the newsgroup but the
data itself is valid.

                 Races Top 5 Top10 Inci-       Laps                    
ScreenName Skill  Won  Races Races dents Laps   Led  L.P.I. Poles Races  
========== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ====== ===== =====  
mykey          8    14    41    71    84  1378   338  16.40    19     8

Track           Skill Races Wins  Top 5 Top10  Inc  Laps   Led  
L.P.I.  
=============== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== =====
========  
Atlanta             1     5     1     3     5     9   110     4   12.000
Bristol             0     1     0     0     1     2    21     0   10.000
C***te           2    10     2     6    10    15   245    32   16.000
Darlington          0     1     0     0     1     5    18     0    3.000
Dover Downs         0     1     0     1     1     0     0     0    0.000
Martinsville        0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
Michigan            1     4     0     3     4     2    69     0   34.000
New Hampshire       0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
North Carolina      0     2     0     0     2     7    45     0    6.000
N. Wilkesboro       0     1     0     0     1     0    19     0    0.000
Phoenix             0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
Pocono              0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
Richmond            0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
Sears Point         0     0     0     0     0     0     0     0    0.000
Talladega           4    53    11    27    45    44   851   302   19.000
Watkins Glen        0     1     0     1     1     0     0     0    0.000

Look at Michigan.  4 races 2 incidents.  
Look at Talladega. 53 races 44 incidents.

That means atleast 11 races with 0 incidents.

I know it's more then 11 because not all 46 came in seperate races.

If i'm trying to wreck people my aim is horrible... I can't even hit the
wall :)

An example of my attitude. Tonight I took the pole at Tally against
people I don't know.

At the start of the race the pace car disappeared. Just before the green
I heard "Stay behind the pace car"

This means I got blacked flagged.  I pulled left off the track before
the S/F line to let ALL the others go by then went around to stop for my
penalty.  I continued in the race with effectivly 0 chance of winning
because of no yellows.  I ended up 3rd (others wrecked and I avoided the
carnage) only 6 seconds behind the leader.

I'm not sure, but I think I picked up an incident for the black flag.

mykey

mykey, you're going to get my backing 100% on this one.  I fully agree with
you.  I haven't raced with you yet, but everything you said makes perfect
sense.  I had an LPI of 40 for a while.  Then I started jumping into races.
got hit on the pace lap, on the caution lap, head on, i've been hit every way
imaginable.  I was at an LPI of 30 when I was invited into a Darlington race.
Most of the guys in the race said they sucked there, so I joined them, cause
I'm not to hot there either.  After that race, my LPI went to 22. After last
night, I have it up to 24.7, because I did 6 races with some decent drivers,
logged near 100 laps, and had only one incident due to someone pushing into the
wall in front of me and then hammering the brakes.  I was too close to slow
down enough in an area where you normally are under full throttle.  The problem
is all we want to do is race.  I'm afraid of getting nailed with the "Crappy
LPI" tag myself.  I'm now very selective about who I race with.  It sucks
because I don't get all the race time that I would like, but I get some quality
racing.  I've had people say that if your "so good" you should be able to avoid
the trouble.  Yeah, well I say they should get their heads out and think about
it.  Most pickup races are 5-10% in length.  If you get some keyboard drivers
in there, you'll lap em fast.  I have actually lapped cars that were not in any
incidents at dega.  While on the bottom through 1-2, a lapper was up near the
wall as I was passing.  No problem, right?  WRONG!  He came right down and
smacked me.  From first to 11th place.  In 10 lap races i've lapped cars at
Michigan.  I'm turning 186.5 to 187 mph laps and some of these guys are turning
178-180 mph laps.  They cut you off in the turns.  Due to stupid people like
that, I can't just join any race and have fun.  I end up getting pissed at the
moron that hits me twice on the same lap and then has the nerve to say "sorry"
and leave the race.  As much as you love to race, I think you should start
getting selective also.  Start racing more with the "Big Guns" and race them
clean so they can stick up for you.  I have what I would say is a decent amount
of people that could stick up for me if i'm to have a  bad stretch at some time
with a "crash artist".  BTW, i'll race with you anytime you want.

"nobrakes" on TEN

(snip)>
  In 10 lap races i've lapped cars at

  If someone hits you twice on the same lap then I suggest you race
races with the damage on.  A little patience goes a long ways there
on TEN. Some of the slow folks are just in need of some seat time,
just like on Hawaii. The guy who hit you and apologized doesn't have
"the nerve", he has manners.
Regards,
Greg
gavel on TEN

John

nobrakes on TEN

I am glad to see softer tones here as opposed to at NROS where some use
unspeakable insults and even racial slurs at the first sign of trouble.
Although I agree that there are some reckless drivers who do not care to
conform to any acceptable track rules and manners, and play the game as an
arcade station, nontheless it is still relatively new and it will take time
for most to get enough experience so that we will have cleaner races.
Also, unless NROS can assign guilt percentage assignments for accidents it
is not an accurate measure, as you get points for getting hit and touching
the walls etc.

Maybe some discussions on pace laps, yellow flags, passing etc. could be
usefull at NROS or here for new drivers.  For example, on yellow some
people just hit the brakes (considerate but wrong) as you can race to
finish the current lap as I understand it.

Anyway, although it is frustrating at times, NROS is great fun and I
believe drivers will improve gradually and the few who don't will
eventually loose interest. So I would refrain constructing any black list
of bad drivers for a while to give them a time to improve (or save enough
money to buy a wheel :)).

--
Nafi

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