rec.autos.simulators

> The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At
> least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the
> wheel.

> Norman

> > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than ***- so - does
> anyone
> > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel?

> > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I have
> an MS
> > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet
> because of
> > the bad pedals.

> > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The momo
> uses
> > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would
> need some
> > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a
> small
> > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be possible to
> > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half
> travel"
> > bug.
> > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be
> quite
> > expensive pedals like BRD.
> > How much would you be willing to pay? :)

> > Jone.

> It's electrical, not electronics (unless yer trying to mate MS's optical
> parts w. 3rd-party electrical pots - virtually impossible IMO).

> What should work right outta the box is hooking up the TSW or BRD pedals
as
> a second controller ID in Windows (I think you need the little Radio Shack
> gameport-to-USB dongle).  However, some games (I don't have a list) will
> recognize 2 controllers, some won't.  I don't know about rewiring the BRD
> pedals, but it's not rocket science with the TSWs (I don't have a
> schematic).  You can't use the MOMO pots because they go thru a much
smaller
> arc than they do (mechanically) when mounted in the TSW pedal box,
although
> if you are adept at editing the Registry, you could.  Since Logi pots
aren't
> noted for their longevity, you'd be better off using mil-spec pots of the
> proper resistance, which will last forever (the ones in my "other"
> controller, an ECCI, lasted for 4 years of daily use before needing
> ereplacement).

> The coolest part is the way the MOMO pedal pads look on the TSW pedal
arms.

> TSW has the best customer of anybody in the computer business, IMO.

> --Steve

> > Steve -

> > Does the MOMO wheel and the BRD pedals work together "right out of the
> box",
> > or would I need to find an electronics genius to make them work as a
unit?

> > Thanks,

> > Todd

> > > Hell-O!  The MOMO wheel is better than the MSFT, IMO.  All you need to
> do
> > is
> > > use it in conjunction with TSW or BRD pedals and you have a winning
> > > combination.

> > > > > How much would you be willing to pay? :)

> > > > Well - 120ish for the BRD Pro pedals - on top of the 100 for the
> momo
> > > > wheel

> > > > Or 250+ for Speed 7 Pedals, and 100 on top for the Momo wheel.

> > > > I'm tempted

> > > > Doug

> -Larry

> > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The
momo
> > uses
> > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders.

> > The MSFF pedals use pots. Only the wheel uses an optical encoder. At
> > least that is the case for my pedals. I have the USB variant of the
> > wheel.

> > Norman

> > > > As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than ***- so -
does
> > anyone
> > > > know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo
wheel?

> > > I got the same idea when I read the Momo vs. MSFF thread today. I
have
> > an MS
> > > FF wheel and would like to get a MOMO, but I have not done it yet
> > because of
> > > the bad pedals.

> > > It won't be a matter of cutting and connecting wires though. The
momo
> > uses
> > > regular potmeters, while the MSFF uses optical encoders. You would
> > need some
> > > electronics to interface the MS pedals to the MOMO wheel. Maybe a
> > small
> > > microprocessor and two digital potmeters. It would even be
possible to
> > > calibrate the pedals in hardware to get rid of the F1 2001 "half
> > travel"
> > > bug.
> > > Maybe I should look into this. After all the alternative would be
> > quite
> > > expensive pedals like BRD.
> > > How much would you be willing to pay? :)

> > > Jone.

> As we all know - the Momo's pedals are worse than ***- so - does anyone
> know a way of rigging the MSFF pedals to work with the Momo wheel?

> Cheers

> Doug

> If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one
> controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and
> surgery.  For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the
> pedal unit first...
> Yesterday I officially gave up trying to use the MOMO pedals for
> simming.  I gutted my TM F1(NASCAR) Pro wheel to be able to use the
> pedals from that without having the wheel connected.
> I've now got MOMO on controller 1, TM F1 Pro on controller 2 using
> gameport, USB shifter on controller 3, butchered T2 pedals as clutch
> through Rockfire gamepost-USB converter as controller 4.
> Thank goodness Papy know how to handle controllers properly.

> FWIW, the TM F1 Pro pedals are the best non-***a that I've used,
> and it was only going back to them that I realised how cruddy the MOMO
> setup is.

> The wheel is pretty sweet for 99 notes, but when you've already got an
> MS?  Just a couple of months ago PC World had it for 150 so I thought
> I got a bargain at 120 on the 'net.  I much prefer buying hardware
> over the counter :(

> Best of luck whatever you decide to do, Doug.

> Mark
> Reading, UK

> <<If you want to have different pedals yet have it all work as one
> controller I think you're getting into some fairly major headaches and
> surgery.  For one thing, the power to the wheel goes throught the
> pedal unit first...>>

> Nope.  I sent the MOMO setup to TSW and they did the conversion.  Easy as
> falling off a log.  Like I say: TSW has the best customer service in the
> computer biz.

> --Steve