rec.autos.simulators

by **David Bohnenberge** » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

In GPL, there doesn't seem to be a control to select a specific gear, just
upshift or downshift. Am I correct? I find it a little annoying that I need
to click the downshift button five times or so to put the car in reverse.
I know, I shouldn't HAVE to put the car in reverse...) In my early
experiments, I have found that auto-shifting is useless, as the car usually
won't put itself in reverse when you need it to. I have tried the Shift-R
cheat, but half the time I just sit there while the track clears. I think
there should at least be a control to put it in reverse. It would be nice if
there were controls to select specific gears. Is there any reason why this
would be unrealistic? Was is impossible to skip gears in these cars?

by **Benqui** » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I would personnaly like a key to put it back in Neutral from where we could
choose to move to 1st or Reverse, without going 4-3-2-1-N-R in the event of
a spin (which occur once in a while in GPL ;-)).

>It would be nice if
>there were controls to select specific gears. Is there any reason why this
>would be unrealistic? Was is impossible to skip gears in these cars?

by **Gian A. Vitzthu** » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hmmm... I don't know about the GP cars in '67, but I know that a lot of
cars like Formula 1600, etc, etc have direct link gearboxes. That means
you have to go through every gear in sequence - much like on a
motorcycle. No downshifting from fourth to second if your speed drops
too much... you have to go through third!

Cheers,
Gian.

> In GPL, there doesn't seem to be a control to select a specific gear, just
> upshift or downshift. Am I correct? I find it a little annoying that I need
> to click the downshift button five times or so to put the car in reverse.
> I know, I shouldn't HAVE to put the car in reverse...) In my early
> experiments, I have found that auto-shifting is useless, as the car usually
> won't put itself in reverse when you need it to. I have tried the Shift-R
> cheat, but half the time I just sit there while the track clears. I think
> there should at least be a control to put it in reverse. It would be nice if
> there were controls to select specific gears. Is there any reason why this
> would be unrealistic? Was is impossible to skip gears in these cars?

by **Antoine Renaul** » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:54:57 -0400, "Benquin"

>I would personnaly like a key to put it back in Neutral from where we could
>choose to move to 1st or Reverse, without going 4-3-2-1-N-R in the event of
>a spin (which occur once in a while in GPL ;-)).

I totally agree with you! J'suis pas certain qu'ils vont nous ecouter
par contre...

A. Renault
(FDR-Kronos)

by **Benqui** » Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Mmmmm, is that Antoine Frank Renault or Antoine Dan Renault? ;-)

(Benquin Racing)

>A. Renault
>(FDR-Kronos)

by **Antoine Renaul** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:12:28 -0400, "Benquin"

>Mmmmm, is that Antoine Frank Renault or Antoine Dan Renault? ;-)

The one you met lately at "La journee carriere"...

A. Renault

(P.S.: Ne me demasque pas SVP!)

by **rob** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I wouldn't mind so much going through all the gears if you could just
tap the downshift button a few times quickly and get that many downshifts.
As it is, a second shift is ignored if one is already in progress. Allowing
them to queue up would be nicer.

rob.

>In GPL, there doesn't seem to be a control to select a specific gear, just
>upshift or downshift. Am I correct? I find it a little annoying that I need
>to click the downshift button five times or so to put the car in reverse.

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by **Michael E. Carve** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

% I wouldn't mind so much going through all the gears if you could just
% tap the downshift button a few times quickly and get that many downshifts.
% As it is, a second shift is ignored if one is already in progress. Allowing
% them to queue up would be nicer.

But downshifting in sequence can actually aid in braking, helping to
slow the car without applying too much brake and throwing the car off
balance. Slamming the gears into too slow of a gear would really throw
the car out of shape.

% >In GPL, there doesn't seem to be a control to select a specific gear, just
% >upshift or downshift. Am I correct? I find it a little annoying that I need
% >to click the downshift button five times or so to put the car in reverse.
% <snip>

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by **Eric T. Busc** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

AFAIK you couldn't shift across the gate.

- Eric

by **Jay Wolf** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

now, wait a minute. you guys are telling me that there are different
gears in GPL?! shoot, i've been doing laps at 85 MPH tops and blowing my
engines. i guess that my times will drop significantly now. hrmpf.
gears. who da thought.

> AFAIK you couldn't shift across the gate.

> - Eric

> >Was is impossible to skip gears in these cars?

by **Rick** » Tue, 06 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Details count.

Nobody said they wanted the ability to downshift through the gears to be
removed, they said (and I wholeheartedly agree) that "in the event of a
spin", we'd like to be able to go straight from 5 (or whatever) to
neutral. Sitting on the side of the road going through each half-second
downshift is neither fun nor realistic, especially since the driver's arm
often blocks the view of the gear shifter and you have to wait until he's
done to make sure you're going into the right gear. The sense of "feel"
prevents this problem in real life. Being able to instantly go from any
gear to neutral would be a great simulated solution.

Another person added (and I agree with this, too) that having to go
through each gear is alright but you ought to be able to queue multiple
shifts without having to wait for the current one to finish.

All of these concepts are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, I believe
these suggestions were made without regard to the effects of proper
downshifting under normal driving situations because that's not what the
suggestion addresses.

- Rick

by **Jim Sokolof** » Thu, 08 Oct 1998 04:00:00

> >Was is impossible to skip gears in these cars?
> AFAIK you couldn't shift across the gate.

It would be a strange gearbox indeed that you couldn't skip gears
in. (Even in sequential shift racing gearboxes, it's only the shift
linkage that limits you to sequential shifting. The gearbox itself
couldn't care less, provided appropriate rev-matching is done.)

---Jim

by **Tim -fusio** » Fri, 09 Oct 1998 04:00:00

>> AFAIK you couldn't shift across the gate.
>It would be a strange gearbox indeed that you couldn't skip gears
>in. (Even in sequential shift racing gearboxes, it's only the shift
>linkage that limits you to sequential shifting. The gearbox itself
>couldn't care less, provided appropriate rev-matching is done.)

Exactly. I like the que-ing downshift idea, too, with the one
qualifyer of not being able to drop it into reverse until the car is
stopped.
It would be easy to just bang down 4 gears and go right from third to
reverse instead of first otherwise.

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by **meij** » Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:00:00

>Nobody said they wanted the ability to downshift through the gears to be
>removed, they said (and I wholeheartedly agree) that "in the event of a
>spin", we'd like to be able to go straight from 5 (or whatever) to
>neutral. Sitting on the side of the road going through each half-second
>downshift is neither fun nor realistic, especially since the driver's arm
>often blocks the view of the gear shifter and you have to wait until he's
>done to make sure you're going into the right gear. The sense of "feel"
>prevents this problem in real life. Being able to instantly go from any
>gear to neutral would be a great simulated solution.

>Another person added (and I agree with this, too) that having to go
>through each gear is alright but you ought to be able to queue multiple
>shifts without having to wait for the current one to finish.

>All of these concepts are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, I believe
>these suggestions were made without regard to the effects of proper
>downshifting under normal driving situations because that's not what the
>suggestion addresses.

True. This isn't a sequential box and it'd be nice to be able to have "custom"
button assignments for gears so you can engage a given gear without having to
snick up or down the gearbox. I'm fairly sure if you bad to brake to stop
suddenly in your road car then wanted to get going again you wouldn't go from
5th->4th->3rd->2nd-1st, but would engage 1st and drive off. This would be
nice. Either hitting first or neutral at the touch of a button is a great
idea.

M

by **Matthew Knutse** » Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:00:00

<snip>

Hey, Guys, while I agree somewhat, the challenge is to make a
H-pattern controller for shifting..

BUT: have you ever tried to get a real racebox into 1st when standing
still?? I tell you, it's a real pain in the bum!
(blip, scraaaaatchhh, blip, BLIP, scruuuunnnccch.hop...silence)

:))

Matt Knutsen

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