Everything you set in place makes 12 assumptions that you cant assume, here
are some see how many you can think of...
1. that every person that joins iracing, joins a race, has the same damn
"racing values' that you have.
2. that they have even sim raced before signup
3. that they can handle ANY car you give them
4 giva shit less how others get along in a race (win wreck wahtever
mentality)
I think you see the drift.
B. you say you couldnt get on a test server with up to 45 of your iRacing
buddies (like the rest of us have been doing) to develope setups? excuse
me, doesnt seem to be a problem for the rest of us. Oh wait you want some
FREE, self controlled server that you can keep others out of, hmmm seems
stupid to me, you arent hurting anyone and nobody is hurting while you
develope setups, as many of us do using Ventrillo, Teamspeak and what not...
C wasnt but 3 years ago rfactor (when I actually paid for the damn thing)
shipped with 4 cars total. After 6 months there was a lot of SHIT and about
9 cars that were worth the download. Again all nicely donated, what if in
order for you to get even one mod, it cost 5 bucks, where would you be? IT
could be that way soon when those programmers get laid off, need money and
spend hours on the PC, working on this stuff...
D Individuals make change? Excuse me, but half about what you dont, I like.
so if they fix it for me, you dont, if they fix it for you I dislaike
(theroetically) so how do they do this in real life? they listed to the
whining and suggestions onthe boards, and then the sometimes even have a
poll. Good leaders in ANY organization usually prove to be the ones to
figure out what shit really matters, and matter to the majority. It aint no
different at your rFactor league, just like I pointed out in last post, if I
come on and demand everyone run fixed setups (because maybe i sux at making
setups) the rest of you want open setups, HOW GODDAM much individually did I
affect change for christ's sake? You are telling me your club of raceing
buddies will say OK we do it his way for now on? Give me a break dude
E. Rigid envirement? so you enjoy going to any league race where "anything
goes" ??? I like rigid I guess, I know what to expect, everytime...
Period.
I mean it, I hate cluster***s where they say "this week Daytona, fixed
sets, start at 9, be there by 8:50... then at 910 because joe blow showed
up at 9, and cant join... we still aint started, they decided to run open
sets (because 2 guys have worked all week on them) and well I think you get
the pic. Basically it is easier to join knowing what to expect (schedules
clearly viewable for 12 week sessions are ready 1 week before the 12 weeks
begin.) I dont see your point I guess.
Lastly,
you kept pointing out that I bothered to give facts, and you answer with
crappy "tell me something I dont know", Ok damnit admit that you hadnt
thought about any of those issues and how those things have to be handled,
did you. I didnt say at any point that you might not know this shit, I did
see that you didnt care or think about the solutions to the problems anyone
who tries to run a business of any form has to figure out. All you want is
some form of anarchy, free and ran by whoever gets there 1st I guess?
>> "Part 2"
>> Im not trying to be snob, but dayum... so you think you cant be A:
>> bothered to prove yourself? B: Nobody should have to?
> I prove myself every race I'm in, or at least make an attempt to be a good
> racer. I have proved myself as a capable racer.
>> I mean it is like you are beggin me to "let you in, at your level of
>> course" wink wink, but keep the rifraff out please.
> Huh!? Even though I have friends that have tried or have made a go at
> iRacing, many of them come back to their rFactor leagues because of what's
> missing at iRacing. iRacing needs changing and there is nothing the
> individual can do to effect change. Where-as in many rFactor leagues that
> person has an affective voice.
> The weight of the internal politics at iRacing and persistence at clinging
> to the SIM drivers school turns me and many SIM Racers off. It's the same
> people that alienated the community in '04 and '05 and now they want us to
> pay their salaries while they really try to figure out what they are
> doing. It's unattractive and as it settles in with most people and they
> find themselves helpless to effect any chance to improve their experience,
> they leave. On their return to their rFactor leagues they say things like
> "I won't being doing anymore iRacing." "I can't believe it took 5 years to
> do that." "I couldn't race with my friends." "They don't have the car I
> want to race." "I don't get to race the car I want to race." "My team
> can't race together." And 100 more "no you can't's" Where as with rFactor
> "can I do ....?" The answer is always "yes."
> By creating such a ridged environment iRacing have drastically limited the
> people who want to be involved. And the "first impression" they have made
> is not always good. Even if they do change now, they again have alienated
> so many people with their arrogance, people won't return.
> Is that not what
>> youre saying?
> No. See above.
>> You sound (after reading this post Im posting into) like someone who
>> would really like it, if you would give it a chance, instead of being
>> genuinely turned so off by what others percieve to be the problem.
> I have iRaced. But right from the top, my team didn't have a server to go
> in an develop setups as a team and that ended our involvement after 30
> days. Even though the Soltice is barely enjoyable I tried it for a month.
> We got to where we could start making setups but there wasn't a facility
> for us to do our team development. At iRacing there is too much "no" you
> can't do that. But on the top of the list is how they setup a scenario to
> break up teams and leagues. And that's why I continue to see people
> leaving iRacing's maniacal control.
>> Did iRacing solve all sim racing problems? Hell no. Do you still race
>> jerks? yeah. Are some snobs? Hell yes they are, even social workers
>> are snobs at times. damn. but dont let me sway you, just know that
>> yeah, you would have to be a rookie and be entrusted with inferior cars
>> to start with I guess. I think my attitude was different is all, and so
>> I didnt hate it as much...
> I don't hate any of my rFactor experience. I move away from things I have
> hate for. Even just a little.
>> that is my opinion, you can have yours... I only wasted my time typing
>> because I "thought" if I could persuade you to take a different thought
>> process when hating the stuff, think about something more positive, that
>> is all.
> I don't hate. Hating is for those who "fear" what they are involved with
> and can't make the rational decision to separate themselves from it.
> Think about the problems they do get around. it is like Laws
>> and rules in real life. Set some basic standards that you expect people
>> to follow. Just like your damn league was faced with. I know if I
>> joined yoru league and raced to crash the races out all the time, without
>> some rule for recourse, your friends would quit showing up. Dont lie to
>> me either, been runnin in leagues now for 18 years
> Tell me something I don't know.
> Good rFactor leagues have rules that have been honed over years of SIM
> Racing experience and are usually much more practical then iRacing, that's
> why so many are returning to their rFactor leagues.
> Now that iRacing's here, I don't know how to race?
> "Come to iRacing Jesus. It's the only path to SIM Racing
> enlightenment." -- iRacing Zealot.