rec.autos.simulators

by **Tracey A Mille** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

Well, for the game that I'm spending 2 hours per day *competing* in, I
wanted the best possible video quality. The V3 image is a little
better than the V2's gave me. For games I boot occasionally for fun,
I'll accept less than the best.

At the time, I thought I had "completed" GPL, so I wouldn't miss the
Thriller card. Then along came that darn David Noonan character, with
his track converters, that make GPL play a lot more like N4 than N3
does.

So now I go back and forth between N3 and GPL, for hours at a time,
and wish I still had my Rendition card. BUT, that will all change
after May 25th when I get my V5, FSAA baby, no going back to rendition
after that! <G>

> Then why not use the V2s for Nascar 3?

> > That's what I had my V2's for...

> > "Cliff Roman" wrote

> > > I like to play other games as well :)

by **GTX_SlotCa** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

I think it's important to remember that nVidia cards were always faster than
their 3Dfx counterparts in D3D. But... if a game supported both Glide and
D3D, the 3Dfx cards usually had better frame rates running it in Glide than
the nVidia run in D3D. Also, new 3Dfx drivers usually mean a performance
increase while nVidia's recent history shows that their new drivers
*usually* mean a performance hit to make the cards more stable. At any rate,
N4 won't be out for 6 months, so the new offerings by 3Dfx and nVidia don't
really matter because they'll both be releasing new cards again in 6 months.
Personally, I'll try to be strong and refrain from buying a new card now,
and wait for the next generation in 6 months. I'll try, but it won't be
easy.

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by **Steven Dickso** » Wed, 10 May 2000 04:00:00

Your money is almost always better spent upgrading your CPU. For the price
of a GeForce, you can buy a Celeron566 and overclock that puppy to 850+.
S.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

Isn't that called the "Costanza Effect"?

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by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

It was too bad for Rendition, they really did it to themselves. It was great
technology, and I think most would agree the picture quality was better.

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> Even if N3 supported Rendition, I would not own one.

> I like to play other games as well :)

> > >On Tue, 9 May 2000 13:07:47 -0500, "Tracey Miller"

> > >>A better question is how many people still would be using Rendition if
> N3
> > >>had supported it. I never would have bought my V3 if N3 had supported
my
> > >>Thriller card, and GPL looked better in Rendition.

> > >same here

> > ditto

> > Rendition was the greatest card I ever had!!!!
> > I only bought my V3 because Rendition couldn't run N3 , and some other
> games.
> > I miss Rendition.

by **Joe6** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

>I'd honestly say it's about time the boys at Papy showed some sense over 3D
>choice.

Even though I'm a Voodoo fan, I agree. 3DFX is not the *** force
it once was (and it's entirely there own fault - recent product delays
have been attrocious).

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by **Chuck Kandle** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

> >Big, BIG mistake, Papy.....

> Of course, a lot of people said that when they realized that dropped
> native support for Rendition. It just might be that papy is better at
> predicting the future than we are. Who here is still using a Rendition
> card for sim racing?

One difference...they aren't MADE anymore. The Voodoo definitely is.
And as any *Papy made* GPL fan can tell you, works great. Now they drop
support? It's as though they're making us choose between our GPL that
we know & love, or N4 which is yet to come. There is very little
(comparatively speaking) extra effort to be spent to add a Glide
rasterizer to go along with it's D3D and OGL rasterizers. The suit that
made this decision needs a course in marketing reality. As an aside,
maybe the non-Voodoo GPL fans can also get an improved OGL rasterizer
for GPL out of all this.

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by **Chuck Kandle** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

> Havent yall heard Glide is DEAD!!!!!

> With upcoming graphics cards Direct 3d and opengl are going to be far
> superior than glide. Glide is gone, they made the right choice, Especially
> since the geforce blows away the voodoo 5 6 on the benchmarks

Benchmarks ain't worth a shit. Drive anything with mirrors, and they
fall on their frickin face without a bunch of tweaks! To me, the terms
"dead" & "a dinosaur" would refer to a chipset no longer in production.
Last I checked, the Voodoo's are alive & well. And kickin major ass in
GPL. All we're asking for is *options*, not a single-sighted dedication
to one specific API. Geeez...

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by **Vintoo** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

I've been reading articles lately dealing with D3D and OpenGL and they say
that OpenGL doesn't update very often but DirectX updates all the time.
After seeing that N4 will only Support these two it seems that D3D is
starting to finally begin to become a standard thanks to DirectX and Nvidia.
Nvidia is clearly in front when it comes to video cards. You can already
pick up a Gforce2 at some stores according to a few articles I've been
reading on the net and I have yet to even see a Voodoo5 anywhere which in my
view is 1 generation behind the Gforce2. I have a Voodoo3 and love it (I
also have my Voodoo2 card in the closet and will never throw it away since
it's an add-on card). However when N4 comes out I will definitely buy an
Nvidia card which at the current rate of production should be on the next
generation of card after the Gforce2 where as Voodoo will still be putting
out Voodoo6's.

Vintook

> Well, for the game that I'm spending 2 hours per day *competing* in, I
> wanted the best possible video quality. The V3 image is a little
> better than the V2's gave me. For games I boot occasionally for fun,
> I'll accept less than the best.

> At the time, I thought I had "completed" GPL, so I wouldn't miss the
> Thriller card. Then along came that darn David Noonan character, with
> his track converters, that make GPL play a lot more like N4 than N3
> does.

> So now I go back and forth between N3 and GPL, for hours at a time,
> and wish I still had my Rendition card. BUT, that will all change
> after May 25th when I get my V5, FSAA baby, no going back to rendition
> after that! <G>

> > Then why not use the V2s for Nascar 3?

> > > That's what I had my V2's for...

> > > "Cliff Roman" wrote

> > > > I like to play other games as well :)

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

No, no, no, no, no! (NO! :-) 32-bit is nice but it always comes at a
slight price and the difference is only noticeable in large graduated
fills...skies usually. I've had a V3 and a TNT2 in my PC and there really
is a lot of rubbish talked about the 16/32-bit thing. For general ***
the V3 is a *great* D3D card, often beating the TNT2. A GeForce is a bit
faster, but at that price it bl**dy well should be :-)

I'm sure nobody with a V3 needs to worry about N4. I'd like to see N4 with
a glide option, but time is money and the lack of D3D was, and still is, a
problem for GPL.

Andrew McP

by **John Simmo** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

says...

No, N4 will *NOT* be supporting glide. Don't you pay any attention to
what the Papy guys say in this newsgroup? D3D and OpenGL are the only
two API's it will be using.

Direct3D is *NOT* a proprietary (chipset specific) API. Since Glide only
works on 3dfx cards, it can be defined as a proprietary (chipset
specific) API.

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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

"Seinfeld" has a lot to blame for!

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> LOL!

> Interesting, I didn't realize it was possible to be funny without
> being offensive.

> > Isn't that called the "Costanza Effect"?

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> > > opposite of what ever direction Papy went.

by **Tracey Mille** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

I'll probably be switching again by the time N4 comes out too, or shortly
after, ATI has a hot new card coming, as well as Matrox. It's hard to say
what the "best" will be in November or December, but right now - for
simulations - the V5 is clearly the way to go.

> I've been reading articles lately dealing with D3D and OpenGL and they say
> that OpenGL doesn't update very often but DirectX updates all the time.
> After seeing that N4 will only Support these two it seems that D3D is
> starting to finally begin to become a standard thanks to DirectX and
Nvidia.
> Nvidia is clearly in front when it comes to video cards. You can already
> pick up a Gforce2 at some stores according to a few articles I've been
> reading on the net and I have yet to even see a Voodoo5 anywhere which in
my
> view is 1 generation behind the Gforce2. I have a Voodoo3 and love it (I
> also have my Voodoo2 card in the closet and will never throw it away since
> it's an add-on card). However when N4 comes out I will definitely buy an
> Nvidia card which at the current rate of production should be on the next
> generation of card after the Gforce2 where as Voodoo will still be putting
> out Voodoo6's.

> Vintook

> > Well, for the game that I'm spending 2 hours per day *competing* in, I
> > wanted the best possible video quality. The V3 image is a little
> > better than the V2's gave me. For games I boot occasionally for fun,
> > I'll accept less than the best.

> > At the time, I thought I had "completed" GPL, so I wouldn't miss the
> > Thriller card. Then along came that darn David Noonan character, with
> > his track converters, that make GPL play a lot more like N4 than N3
> > does.

> > So now I go back and forth between N3 and GPL, for hours at a time,
> > and wish I still had my Rendition card. BUT, that will all change
> > after May 25th when I get my V5, FSAA baby, no going back to rendition
> > after that! <G>

> > > Then why not use the V2s for Nascar 3?

> > > > That's what I had my V2's for...

> > > > "Cliff Roman" wrote

> > > > > I like to play other games as well :)

by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

> Well, for the game that I'm spending 2 hours per day *competing* in, I
> wanted the best possible video quality. The V3 image is a little
> better than the V2's gave me. For games I boot occasionally for fun,
> I'll accept less than the best.

> At the time, I thought I had "completed" GPL, so I wouldn't miss the
> Thriller card. Then along came that darn David Noonan character, with
> his track converters, that make GPL play a lot more like N4 than N3
> does.

> So now I go back and forth between N3 and GPL, for hours at a time,
> and wish I still had my Rendition card. BUT, that will all change
> after May 25th when I get my V5, FSAA baby, no going back to rendition
> after that! <G>

The day I installed N99 and found that the 3Dfx version was just as good
as the Rendition version was the day I with joy dumped my Hercules
Thriller card, it's the 2nd worst card I've owned, beaten only by the
Stingray 128 in crappiness, so no, I don't miss my Rendition card :-)

Having said that, I haven't been impressed with the Riva cards either,
although the GEForce isn't half bad, the only cards I've bee really
pleased with in 2D are made by ATI, too bad they're not the hottest
thing for ***, or my vid card "problems" would have been solved long
time ago, but hey, that's why we have V2's right ? :-)

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by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 11 May 2000 04:00:00

> One difference...they aren't MADE anymore. The Voodoo definitely is.
> And as any *Papy made* GPL fan can tell you, works great. Now they drop
> support? It's as though they're making us choose between our GPL that
> we know & love, or N4 which is yet to come. There is very little
> (comparatively speaking) extra effort to be spent to add a Glide
> rasterizer to go along with it's D3D and OGL rasterizers. The suit that
> made this decision needs a course in marketing reality. As an aside,
> maybe the non-Voodoo GPL fans can also get an improved OGL rasterizer
> for GPL out of all this.

..and then there's this thing called V2, with or without SLI :-))),
still runs GPL almost as good as most anything else.....

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