rec.autos.simulators

> Don't flame the guy. He tried to answer the question as best he
could. With
> no real information, which he states, he offered his opinion. Without
> hearing from the "track guru's" his answer seems as likely as any
other.
> There is a real feeling of "GPL is a sim, everything else is a game"
in this
> newgroup. So perhaps his comments aren't that far off, regardless of
how
> other people feel about Viper Racing. All that counts is that the
people who
> have the skill to make new tracks for this game, haven't, and don't
sppear
> to be doing so in the near future. Maybe one of them will explain why
they
> have ignored this fine game. Not that they should feel that they have
to,
> just as a way of answering a pretty good question.
> Later,
> Brian

> > Viper Racing is an ARCADE game??????  I hope you are not referring
to the
> > physics, damage model, etc as Viper was probably number 2 to GPL in
terms
> > of accurate physics modeling.

> > Yeah, they weren't real tracks, all cars were Vipers, etc etc.. BUT
Viper
> > Racing was NOT arcade.

> > Scott
> > PA-Scott
> > PowerSims.com

> > >I think that the possible reason is that Viper Racing is basically
an
> > >arcade game, and the people who generally contribute to and
supplement
> > >existing games are more interested in simulations (such as GPL).

>I think that the possible reason is that Viper Racing is basically an arcade
>game,

> Actually, Brian, I think the guy is dead-wrong -- look at how many cars
> and tracks have been developed for NFS3 and NFS:HS, and they are both
> DEFINITELY arcade games.

> The problem with Viper Racing is a lack of tools from involved parties
> (i.e., the developer and/or testers who were involved with development).

> Papy and EA both have people who were involved in the development and
> testing proving follow-on support for 3rd-party development for ICR2,
> N2/3, GPL, SCGT, and the NFS games; MGI hasn't done anything to make
> Viper Racing more open, or to help people crack the existing files so
> that they can develop 3rd-party add-ons (no knock against MGI intended
> -- I know some of those guys).

> So, at any rate, it's not an arcade versus sim deal, it's an open
> architecture versus closed architecture issue, and Viper Racing is a
> closed book to all the smart guys out there right now.  Hopefully that
> will change, but I'm not holding my breath.

> -- JB

> > Don't flame the guy. He tried to answer the question as best he
> could. With
> > no real information, which he states, he offered his opinion. Without
> > hearing from the "track guru's" his answer seems as likely as any
> other.
> > There is a real feeling of "GPL is a sim, everything else is a game"
> in this
> > newgroup. So perhaps his comments aren't that far off, regardless of
> how
> > other people feel about Viper Racing. All that counts is that the
> people who
> > have the skill to make new tracks for this game, haven't, and don't
> sppear
> > to be doing so in the near future. Maybe one of them will explain why
> they
> > have ignored this fine game. Not that they should feel that they have
> to,
> > just as a way of answering a pretty good question.
> > Later,
> > Brian

> > > Viper Racing is an ARCADE game??????  I hope you are not referring
> to the
> > > physics, damage model, etc as Viper was probably number 2 to GPL in
> terms
> > > of accurate physics modeling.

> > > Yeah, they weren't real tracks, all cars were Vipers, etc etc.. BUT
> Viper
> > > Racing was NOT arcade.

> > > Scott
> > > PA-Scott
> > > PowerSims.com

> > > >I think that the possible reason is that Viper Racing is basically
> an
> > > >arcade game, and the people who generally contribute to and
> supplement
> > > >existing games are more interested in simulations (such as GPL).

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> Before you buy.

>Is it just me, or are most Larsen's online dumbasses? On this American Rally
>mailing list I'm on, their's a guy named Jens Larsen who talks a lot of
>trash, but is quiet in real life. (met him at a rally) Funny, Goy seems to
>have a similar personality :)

>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:02 -0400, "Peter O'Connor"

>>I think that the possible reason is that Viper Racing is basically an arcade
>>game,

>I forgot, was is PLOINK or PLONK? Rrevved?

> I know, I know.  You know everything, you just can't remember it all at
> once <VBG>

> Hey Alex,

> Is that guy on your mailing list a Socialist-Communist?  If he is, you are
> onto something! ;)  LOL

> Is it just me, or are most Larsen's online dumbasses? On this American Rally
> mailing list I'm on, their's a guy named Jens Larsen who talks a lot of
> trash, but is quiet in real life. (met him at a rally) Funny, Goy seems to
> have a similar personality :)

> After reading your post, I'm afraid it's you...

>> I know, I know.  You know everything, you just can't remember it all at
>> once <VBG>

>Exactly :-)