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: > I really hope I'm wrong. Our goal should be to have a SS race that we'd
be
: > proud to post on the net for others to see.
: >
:
: Yeah, people need to practice more. I say that every6 week. However,
: constant ***ing and moaning about it doesn't do any good. Just do
: your best, and hope everyone else does too.
:
: The people that are serious about racing do practice. The people that
: aren't don't. We don't currently have any way to distinguish between
: the two. I don't recall that you're exactly perfect. I know I'm
: certainly not. I also know that we've both been the victim of
: warping cars, or caught up in wrecks that were caused by nothing more
: than another driver's ineptitude, and we've both made our share of
: mistakes, but we're both still here, trying to finish on the lead lap
: week after week.
:
That is why I try to make it every race I can, trying to finish on the lead
lap. It took a lot of cautions at a track no one had experience on to do it
but I did *G*. I am without a doubt a newbie to sim racing, there are few
tracks I am comfortable on. Many of the guys racing in Rascar seem to be
open wheel drivers that for whatever reason also like to drive Nascar. From
reading this group as a whole I would say it is because of the Multiplayer
abilities Papy has designed. Having said that, David there are leagues you
can join that are stricter, they also cost money, and you may even win some.
I don't want to wreck, myself or anyone else, I do practice, any track I do
not know I turn on the line. If I still have trouble I use assistance.
Even then, I make mistakes. Just last night, for whatever reason, I kept
diving low to get around accidents. It is a much better idea to go high,
chances are better you will get through them at this (self cleaning) track.
We all do this to race, get the rush, WIN! We are not professionals and we
have nothing on the line but our pride. If I race you for a position mid
pack it is because I want to be 7th instead of 8th. Or I am having trouble
staying behind you. So what! I joined rascar for as realistic an
experience as possible without having unknowns involved like wreckers.
Seriously dude, Get over your ideas that everyone is as good as you, or that
their connection is as good as yours. Keep your eyes open and leave plenty
of room around you for the first ten laps or so, then the field should be
nicely cleared out for you to make your run. I for one hate getting flamed
by someone because I made a mistake and they can't realize this is a game.
I get upset if someone wrecks me but unless it is blatent (hasn't been one
yet, though I thought Larry might be trying to get me in one race :-P) I
just go on and try to make the experience as realistic as possible for the
other drivers by repairing my car and hoping I can improve my position by
completing the race.
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McWhom
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> >The people that are serious about racing do practice. The people that
> >aren't don't.
> Blanket statement that isn't always true. Some don't have the TIME that
they'd
> like to use for practice...
> Eldred
My only complaint is how we as a group race the SS tracks. As a group, there
seems to be an overall poor approach to them. Much of it may be how people
are approaching the races mentally, rather than how good they are. I don't
know, but I do know that the same junk happens race after race after race.
David G Fisher
> : >
> : > I really hope I'm wrong. Our goal should be to have a SS race that
we'd
> be
> : > proud to post on the net for others to see.
> : >
> :
> : Yeah, people need to practice more. I say that every6 week. However,
> : constant ***ing and moaning about it doesn't do any good. Just do
> : your best, and hope everyone else does too.
> :
> : The people that are serious about racing do practice. The people that
> : aren't don't. We don't currently have any way to distinguish between
> : the two. I don't recall that you're exactly perfect. I know I'm
> : certainly not. I also know that we've both been the victim of
> : warping cars, or caught up in wrecks that were caused by nothing more
> : than another driver's ineptitude, and we've both made our share of
> : mistakes, but we're both still here, trying to finish on the lead lap
> : week after week.
> :
> That is why I try to make it every race I can, trying to finish on the
lead
> lap. It took a lot of cautions at a track no one had experience on to do
it
> but I did *G*. I am without a doubt a newbie to sim racing, there are
few
> tracks I am comfortable on. Many of the guys racing in Rascar seem to be
> open wheel drivers that for whatever reason also like to drive Nascar.
From
> reading this group as a whole I would say it is because of the Multiplayer
> abilities Papy has designed. Having said that, David there are leagues
you
> can join that are stricter, they also cost money, and you may even win
some.
> I don't want to wreck, myself or anyone else, I do practice, any track I
do
> not know I turn on the line. If I still have trouble I use assistance.
> Even then, I make mistakes. Just last night, for whatever reason, I kept
> diving low to get around accidents. It is a much better idea to go high,
> chances are better you will get through them at this (self cleaning)
track.
> We all do this to race, get the rush, WIN! We are not professionals and
we
> have nothing on the line but our pride. If I race you for a position mid
> pack it is because I want to be 7th instead of 8th. Or I am having
trouble
> staying behind you. So what! I joined rascar for as realistic an
> experience as possible without having unknowns involved like wreckers.
> Seriously dude, Get over your ideas that everyone is as good as you, or
that
> their connection is as good as yours. Keep your eyes open and leave
plenty
> of room around you for the first ten laps or so, then the field should be
> nicely cleared out for you to make your run. I for one hate getting
flamed
> by someone because I made a mistake and they can't realize this is a game.
> I get upset if someone wrecks me but unless it is blatent (hasn't been one
> yet, though I thought Larry might be trying to get me in one race :-P) I
> just go on and try to make the experience as realistic as possible for the
> other drivers by repairing my car and hoping I can improve my position by
> completing the race.
> --
> McWhom
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I've never uttered one complaint towards anyone in the two seasons of RASCAR
races (that's a lot). I like racing with you to. No problem with any
individual ever.
It's strictly the attitude that we have as a GROUP towars the SS tracks that
really bugs me. You weren't racing with us last year, and I'm not sure you
were in on the first SS races this year, but things haven't gotten better.
They've always been bad and nobody seems to care because everytime a SS race
comes along, there's almost no discussion of themit like there normally is
for the other tracks. We've gotten better at the other tracks over the past
two seasons, but not the SS tracks.
Watch, we'll probably have two yellows tomorrow, and I'll cause them both.
:-o
David G Fisher
However, the changes Papy is proposing for the draft scare me a little.
I'm able to consistently win SS races because I have a knack for using the
draft in interesting ways. They absolutely destroyed the draft in NR2002,
and it had a horrendous effect on me. I later learned that the now infamous
NR2002 cheats were a big part of it, but the lousy draft characteristics of
NR2002 were troublesome to me.
I have my fingers crossed :)
I'm far more concerned with the aero-push than I am the draft. I feel they
are out to fix the wrong thing.
Larry
> > I'm intentionally going to be a d**k in this post.
> > Anyone who enters this race better be able to run a tight line, lap
after
> > damn lap with the fast setup. That includes in heavy traffic coming out
of
> > the corners. If you can't, then practice and practice and practice until
you
> > can. Use aids if you have to. Use steering help. Use whatever you need
to
> > but make sure you aren't drifting.
> > Also, turn on the ideal line and use that as a guide to MAKE SURE YOU
AREN"T
> > DRIFTING UP THE TRACK. Check the replay TO MAKE SURE YOU AREN"T
DRIFTING.
> > Post replays somewhere and show what you can or can't do and ask for
help if
> > you need to. No shame there at all.
> > Why am I coming off like a jerk? Because we've absolutely SUCKED at the
SS
> > races in these first two seasons. Nobody can dispute that.
> > The same mistakes have been made race after race after race after race
after
> > race after race. Frankly, I'm sick of getting wiped out by people. I've
had
> > better SS pick up races on Papy servers than I've had in RASCAR. For
some
> > reason we are awful on these tracks.
> > Also, stop with the bulls**t habit of racing like maniacs for one
stinking
> > position on lap eight, which leads to a yellow. It DOESN'T MATTER!!
> You're wasting your time Dave. No matter how much peeople practice,
> there's going to be mistakes and there's going to be warps. We don't
> suck any more than anyone else at SS races. If the patch comes out
> in time, we can use it - it's supposed to "lessens the effect of the
> draft", so it might help everyone.
> If people are drifting high, it's because they blow the entry to the
> turn, but don't want to lift to get the car to stay on the intended
> line. If the guy up top is crowing them, the guy up top is likely to
> get warp-wrecked. The best thing to do is for the car on the high
> line to maintain some decent lateral distance between himself and the
> car on the low line. Sure, the guy on the high line might not make
> out as well as the guy on the low line, but losing one spot is better
> than been wrecked out or pushed into the wall and loosing a shitload
> more.
> If it even looks like someone might have a run on you and may try to
> stick their nose in under you, don't dive down to protect your
> position (you did that a couple times at Papy). People are equally
> guilty of not giving as readily as they take.
> In closing, if you expect a perfect race, you're running with the
> wrong bunch of guys. Sure, we occasionally have good races, but more
> often than not, we're just average.
> I'm personally hoping for more than 16 laps of green flag racing this
> weekend.
-Larry
> >You're wasting your time Dave. No matter how much peeople practice,
> >there's going to be mistakes and there's going to be warps. We don't
> >suck any more than anyone else at SS races. If the patch comes out
> >in time, we can use it - it's supposed to "lessens the effect of the
> >draft", so it might help everyone.
> Here's something funny. I read the first post, and thought YOU had
written it
> until I saw *this* one...<g>
> Hey David - that was a pretty good John Simmons impersonation. :-)
> Eldred
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-Larry
> > > Hope that got your attention. :-)
> > > I'm intentionally going to be a d**k in this post.
> > > Anyone who enters this race better be able to run a tight line, lap
> after
> > > damn lap with the fast setup. That includes in heavy traffic coming
out
> of
> > > the corners. If you can't, then practice and practice and practice
until
> you
> > > can. Use aids if you have to. Use steering help. Use whatever you need
> to
> > > but make sure you aren't drifting.
> > > Also, turn on the ideal line and use that as a guide to MAKE SURE YOU
> AREN"T
> > > DRIFTING UP THE TRACK. Check the replay TO MAKE SURE YOU AREN"T
> DRIFTING.
> > > Post replays somewhere and show what you can or can't do and ask for
> help if
> > > you need to. No shame there at all.
> > > Why am I coming off like a jerk? Because we've absolutely SUCKED at
the
> SS
> > > races in these first two seasons. Nobody can dispute that.
> > > The same mistakes have been made race after race after race after race
> after
> > > race after race. Frankly, I'm sick of getting wiped out by people.
I've
> had
> > > better SS pick up races on Papy servers than I've had in RASCAR. For
> some
> > > reason we are awful on these tracks.
> > > Also, stop with the bulls**t habit of racing like maniacs for one
> stinking
> > > position on lap eight, which leads to a yellow. It DOESN'T MATTER!!
> > You're wasting your time Dave. No matter how much peeople practice,
> > there's going to be mistakes and there's going to be warps. We don't
> > suck any more than anyone else at SS races.
> We sure do. As I said, I've joined plenty of Papy pick up races that were
> better than our SS races.
> > If the patch comes out
> > in time, we can use it - it's supposed to "lessens the effect of the
> > draft", so it might help everyone.
> > If people are drifting high, it's because they blow the entry to the
> > turn, but don't want to lift to get the car to stay on the intended
> > line.
> That's ridiculous though. No one should still be that hard headed to still
> be making that mistake.
> > If the guy up top is crowing them, the guy up top is likely to
> > get warp-wrecked. The best thing to do is for the car on the high
> > line to maintain some decent lateral distance between himself and the
> > car on the low line. Sure, the guy on the high line might not make
> > out as well as the guy on the low line, but losing one spot is better
> > than been wrecked out or pushed into the wall and loosing a shitload
> > more.
> > If it even looks like someone might have a run on you and may try to
> > stick their nose in under you, don't dive down to protect your
> > position (you did that a couple times at Papy). People are equally
> > guilty of not giving as readily as they take.
> People slide up the track coming out of the turns WAY too often and take
> others out. They need to practice. They need to use the steering assist
(set
> it 100 if they ahve to). They need to keep the ideal line on as a guide so
> they can tell if they are drifting. That's a must for some people. I don't
> want to hear about the need for realism after I've gotten slammed into the
> wall and my Sat. afternoon is wasted.
> Also, there is still silly stuff going on in our SS races like members of
> the chase pack fighting for meaningless positions (often leading to
yellows)
> which lets the lead group disappear off into the distance.
> > In closing, if you expect a perfect race, you're running with the
> > wrong bunch of guys. Sure, we occasionally have good races, but more
> > often than not, we're just average.
> Most tracks are perfectly fine. We are still awful at the SS races because
> apparently people insist on keeping the attitude that SS races are easy.
> Once AGAIN, there's been amost no discussion about how to race a SS track
in
> the week leading up to our RASCAR race. People are just going to show up
and
> the usual results will probably follow.
> I really hope I'm wrong. Our goal should be to have a SS race that we'd be
> proud to post on the net for others to see.
> David G Fisher
I think you'll do ok. It's not a hard track. But Dave is right about one
thing. You have to watch the corner exits with the fast setup in NR2003.
You have to practice with a full field, in traffic, to understand why :)
The aero and grip push in NR2003 with the fast setup is pretty wicked,
especially coming out of turn 4. That bump doesn't help any.
I wish the fast setup was modeled after the setup Tim made for the group.
It's the best Daytona setup I've ever used, and it elimitates the aero push
out of 4.
See ya there!
-Larry
> : >
> : > I really hope I'm wrong. Our goal should be to have a SS race that
we'd
> be
> : > proud to post on the net for others to see.
> : >
> :
> : Yeah, people need to practice more. I say that every6 week. However,
> : constant ***ing and moaning about it doesn't do any good. Just do
> : your best, and hope everyone else does too.
> :
> : The people that are serious about racing do practice. The people that
> : aren't don't. We don't currently have any way to distinguish between
> : the two. I don't recall that you're exactly perfect. I know I'm
> : certainly not. I also know that we've both been the victim of
> : warping cars, or caught up in wrecks that were caused by nothing more
> : than another driver's ineptitude, and we've both made our share of
> : mistakes, but we're both still here, trying to finish on the lead lap
> : week after week.
> :
> That is why I try to make it every race I can, trying to finish on the
lead
> lap. It took a lot of cautions at a track no one had experience on to do
it
> but I did *G*. I am without a doubt a newbie to sim racing, there are
few
> tracks I am comfortable on. Many of the guys racing in Rascar seem to be
> open wheel drivers that for whatever reason also like to drive Nascar.
From
> reading this group as a whole I would say it is because of the Multiplayer
> abilities Papy has designed. Having said that, David there are leagues
you
> can join that are stricter, they also cost money, and you may even win
some.
> I don't want to wreck, myself or anyone else, I do practice, any track I
do
> not know I turn on the line. If I still have trouble I use assistance.
> Even then, I make mistakes. Just last night, for whatever reason, I kept
> diving low to get around accidents. It is a much better idea to go high,
> chances are better you will get through them at this (self cleaning)
track.
> We all do this to race, get the rush, WIN! We are not professionals and
we
> have nothing on the line but our pride. If I race you for a position mid
> pack it is because I want to be 7th instead of 8th. Or I am having
trouble
> staying behind you. So what! I joined rascar for as realistic an
> experience as possible without having unknowns involved like wreckers.
> Seriously dude, Get over your ideas that everyone is as good as you, or
that
> their connection is as good as yours. Keep your eyes open and leave
plenty
> of room around you for the first ten laps or so, then the field should be
> nicely cleared out for you to make your run. I for one hate getting
flamed
> by someone because I made a mistake and they can't realize this is a game.
> I get upset if someone wrecks me but unless it is blatent (hasn't been one
> yet, though I thought Larry might be trying to get me in one race :-P) I
> just go on and try to make the experience as realistic as possible for the
> other drivers by repairing my car and hoping I can improve my position by
> completing the race.
> --
> McWhom
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. I've switched over to that now.
Eldred
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