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GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

Marc Collin

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Marc Collin » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:45:59

Referred to in the readme...but no elaboration.

What is it?  How does it work?  How do you activate it?

Thanks,

Marc

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Joe M

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Joe M » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 06:30:45

I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before this
patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs (shifting with
full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic clutch seems to be
engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the engine revs too high and will
probably wear or blow.  I suspect this works nicely if you assign a clutch
pedal/button and turn off clutch assist.

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Andrew Col

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Andrew Col » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 07:42:40

The problem with clutch assist off is that if you spin and don't catch the
clutch fast enough the engine stalls and you can't start it again.

Andi.


> I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before this
> patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs (shifting
with
> full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic clutch seems to be
> engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the engine revs too high and
will
> probably wear or blow.  I suspect this works nicely if you assign a clutch
> pedal/button and turn off clutch assist.

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> Joe M.



> > Referred to in the readme...but no elaboration.

> > What is it?  How does it work?  How do you activate it?

> > Thanks,

> > Marc

> > --

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Marc Collin

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Marc Collin » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:20:15

As in Formula 1....I guess they weren't able to work around that even in the
patch.

Marc


> The problem with clutch assist off is that if you spin and don't catch the
> clutch fast enough the engine stalls and you can't start it again.

> Andi.



> > I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before this
> > patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs (shifting
> with
> > full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic clutch seems to
be
> > engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the engine revs too high and
> will
> > probably wear or blow.  I suspect this works nicely if you assign a
clutch
> > pedal/button and turn off clutch assist.

> > --
> > Joe M.



> > > Referred to in the readme...but no elaboration.

> > > What is it?  How does it work?  How do you activate it?

> > > Thanks,

> > > Marc

> > > --

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> > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Andreas Nystro

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Andreas Nystro » Mon, 03 Feb 2003 19:27:50

Actually, in Formula 1, they have anti-stall software in the gearbox. Under
a certain rev, the clutch auto-engaged to keep the engine running. This is
to be able to move the car to a safer place incase of a accident etc.
Still its not 100% foolproof in real life. The engine stalls sometimes
anyway.


> As in Formula 1....I guess they weren't able to work around that even in
the
> patch.

> Marc



> > The problem with clutch assist off is that if you spin and don't catch
the
> > clutch fast enough the engine stalls and you can't start it again.

> > Andi.



> > > I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before
this
> > > patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs
(shifting
> > with
> > > full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic clutch seems
to
> be
> > > engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the engine revs too high and
> > will
> > > probably wear or blow.  I suspect this works nicely if you assign a
> clutch
> > > pedal/button and turn off clutch assist.

> > > --
> > > Joe M.



> > > > Referred to in the readme...but no elaboration.

> > > > What is it?  How does it work?  How do you activate it?

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Marc

> > > > --

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> > > > Marc Collins

> > > > Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change
> > > > to take effect. Reboot now?

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Dave Henri

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Dave Henri » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 02:10:31



   So what you are saying is that the 'World's Greatest Drivers' can't even
remember to stab the clutch when they spin?  
dave :) henrie

Jason Moy

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Jason Moy » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 05:54:43



Isn't the procedure for an accident in any motorsport to get your damn
feet off the pedals before you hit something?

Jason

Dave Henri

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Dave Henri » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 06:39:44





>>   So what you are saying is that the 'World's Greatest Drivers' can't
>>   even
>>remember to stab the clutch when they spin?  

> Isn't the procedure for an accident in any motorsport to get your damn
> feet off the pedals before you hit something?

> Jason

   A spin isn't necessarily an crash.  I've seen Big names stall cars in
spins so I figure all this extra computer support is designed to keep the
stars in the race, even if they***up.
  This could be one disadvantage of the HAND clutches many modern f1 cars
employ.
dave henrie
Haqsa

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Haqsa » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:54:40

I just read about this in the book "Going Faster".  They have a rule, "when
spinning around, both feet down," or something like that.  Basically they
are saying that once you are really and truly spinning the best thing to do
is put the clutch in so the engine doesn't stall and then lock up the wheels
with the brakes so that your car will at least follow a predictable path
that other drivers can avoid.


karkraz

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by karkraz » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:57:34



I've also heard "When you spin, both feet in".

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Jussi Koukk

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Jussi Koukk » Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:18:03


wrote something like this:

Modern F1 car doesn't have a clutch pedal, so "both feet down" would
mean pressing brake and gas pedal down... ;-)
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Haqsa

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Haqsa » Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:03:13

Yeah, that was it.  ;o)


Jim Davi

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Jim Davi » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:26:27


wrote/replied to:

It's weird, today with the new patch, I noticed the Marcos, which I
usually drive, I didn't have to lift the gas to shift. I then tried
the Lambo for a quick test, and I did have to lift.

I can't see any settings to change, shouldn't all cars be the same?

I actually prefer not to have to lift, not as real, but easier
driving.

Dave Henri

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 23:31:36




> wrote/replied to:

>>I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before
>>this patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs
>>(shifting with full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic
>>clutch seems to be engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the
>>engine revs too high and will probably wear or blow.  I suspect this
>>works nicely if you assign a clutch pedal/button and turn off clutch
>>assist.

>>--
>>Joe M.

> It's weird, today with the new patch, I noticed the Marcos, which I
> usually drive, I didn't have to lift the gas to shift. I then tried
> the Lambo for a quick test, and I did have to lift.

> I can't see any settings to change, shouldn't all cars be the same?

> I actually prefer not to have to lift, not as real, but easier
> driving.

   The choice is in the front end.  They have unfortunately named the two
options:  Amatuer(what you have now) and Professional (lifting ala GPL to
shift)
dave henrie
Mitch_

GTR2002 1.2 new manual clutch

by Mitch_ » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 00:48:42

I experienced the exact same thing Jim.  One car requires a blip and another
doesn't?





> > wrote/replied to:

> >>I think it's just modeled properly.  I use clutch assist and before
> >>this patch I never needed to lift when shifting to avoid high revs
> >>(shifting with full throttle never sounded "real").  Now the automatic
> >>clutch seems to be engaging as in real life; if I don't lift the
> >>engine revs too high and will probably wear or blow.  I suspect this
> >>works nicely if you assign a clutch pedal/button and turn off clutch
> >>assist.

> >>--
> >>Joe M.

> > It's weird, today with the new patch, I noticed the Marcos, which I
> > usually drive, I didn't have to lift the gas to shift. I then tried
> > the Lambo for a quick test, and I did have to lift.

> > I can't see any settings to change, shouldn't all cars be the same?

> > I actually prefer not to have to lift, not as real, but easier
> > driving.

>    The choice is in the front end.  They have unfortunately named the two
> options:  Amatuer(what you have now) and Professional (lifting ala GPL to
> shift)
> dave henrie


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