rec.autos.simulators

Cheers!
John

: >Yea, but NOT to 16,000 rpm.  That is an incredible number for an rpm
: >figure.

: You're kidding right? 16,000rpm is a pretty common figure in F1 these
: days in normal use - actually engines have survived being revved much
: higher than that accidentally due to missed shifts in the older days
: or semi-auto gearbox glitches.

Yes, they rev modern F1 engines to 16,000 rpm.  Even to 18,000 rpm in some
cases.  And yes they even RACE these engines at 16,000 rpm on a regular
basis (17 times a year, plus all that testing).

I'm talking older models.  BEFORE they thought 16,000 rpm would be a
regular figure, and in fact, be a crippling number if you are unable to
obtain it.

Yes, if you miss a shift and over-rev the engine it will survive, MAYBE.

But John, they did not RACE engines in the old days to 16,000 rpm.  Read
the thread header.  It says Historical SIM.  It means in the 60's.  I can
assure you that not too many engines turned 16,000 rpm in those days, let
alone over 10,000 rpm.

This is really a useless discussion, though.  It's supposed to be about
the Historical SIM.  Just thought I'd through in my 2 cents.  Guess I
didn't expect to get interest on it.  ;)

Oh, and here's another staggering figure.  A Dremel tool turns at around
25,000 rpm.  Now THAT is a high number, John, which even you can admit.;)

With pneumatic valves and all the lightweight alloys used in F1 engines it is
actually quite easy to reach very high RPM figures. Renault admit openly that
their latest V10 reaches 17000+ RPM. It's quite possible that the Ferrari V12
used last year could reach even higher figures.

--
Geoff Schuler

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 and judged that the new physics model being developed would be

Jim,

     I quess you could say that I'm of the older generation that grew up on
60 & 70s F1,Can-Am,& Trans-Am series. You dead right about having to use
your feet as well as your hands to drive those race cars. There weren't
very many ground effects other than the start of wings to give the cars
down force,and the smaller dia, tires didn't really help to get the power
to the road. Yet the racing was real close,much closer than you see today.

     In certain respects,F1 was much more interesting back then.

     It was common for F1 drivers to race in Can-Am,and even in Trans-Am.

     I personally would love to see a simm devoted to the all time horse
power champions;Can-Am cars.

Reguards,

Joel Willstein

Jim,

I believe your assumptions are accurate! Old guys (like myself!) dreamed
of stuff like this when we were kids, now it has become a reality. We're
also the ones that have some cash to spend on hardware and software!
Besides, kids enjoy more arcade type games with lots of "crash and burn"
effects. I teach in a high school, and I've had the opportunity to
engage in many discussions on the subject with my students. My
conclusions are therefore, fact-based and in all probability,
representative of most ***age selections. It seems that they're not
much interested in car setups and the like, unless they're really
interested in the sport of auto racing. However, this has been rare in
my experiences with them.
One of my dreams as an "old guy", has been of a racing sim that featured
the old SCCA racing days. Weekend battles between M.G.'s, Triumphs,
Austin Healeys, etc., at places like Limerock or Watkins Glen. Possibly
this could be a sequel to GPL..if all goes well!
Hopefully, this will be the case. My gut feelings are in favor of a
positive outcome.

Cheers

--
Lew Wiegand

"The only difference between a man and a boy, is the price of his toys"

No problem with "admitting" to anything here Doug :-)

Cheers!
John

Shane Lansky

Hobart,Tasmania
Australia

When I got into computers in '91 (12 years old), I looked for anything
racing.  There were no real sims back then (I kicked a** in Test Drive 2
:)), but as soon as I heard about Indycar Racing, I asked my Dad to upgrade
my 286 to a 486.  Since then, Papyrus has been keeping me racing!

Anyways, some of my friends at school are into cars and computers and
they've tried the Papyrus sims.  They had no idea how to setup the cars.
(part of the reason is the lack of literature in pirated games.  I bought
all my sims, BTW)  They enjoy driving backwards, wipping out the field, and
spectacular crashes.  And they're proud to do 56 seconds at Long Beach in
ICR1.  I mentioned my 52.5, and they decided that it was all because of my
ability to setup the car.  How little they know about driving....

Gregory Fung

Vancouver, B.C., Canada

16 here and I have been a racing fan since I was a young'n (2 1/2).
My bro was going t races since he was 11 months old.  Me?  I buy a
simulation for the just that.  Not for an arcade game.  I love N2 and
I think that, with a few dixes, it could be a heckuva game.
Undoubtedly it is the best one out there right now.  Yall did a great
job on it.  What I DONT like is the commercialism Sierra has brought
to Papyrus.  They advertise a game with so much hype that you HAVE to
get it out early and this is, in effect, what happens (a buggy game).
Papy was doing fine on thier own Jim.  Why'd they sell?

Mike Frazer