the invisible walls proctecting the vulnerable spectators)
We all make typographical errors....but there is a vast difference between a
typo and illiteracy and it is the latter that I find disappointing when it
is repetitive and comes from a resident of an English-speaking country.
(There is also the side benefit to those of non-English-speaking
nationalities where their knowledge of English can be supported when they
know the correct spelling of a word and the correct grammatical structure of
a sentence. Unless genuine spelling errors are pointed out, how will they
ever know what is correct or not?)
Sorry Phil, but I love the English language and get great pleasure out of
reading not only well-crafted statements but also those that are spelt
correctly. If that's a crime, tough.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> Who cares? It's the meaning that counts in newsgroups Bruce !
> Cheers,
> Phil
> > Stay back after school, young Tony......
> > your = you're
> > bail = bale
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.
> > ---------------------------
> > > go flying into the turn after the esses at full speed and lose control
and
> > BAM
> > > your in the haybail and over the wall. =)
Seriously though. After my 5 years or so in the Net, it would appear
that absolutely the worst spellers of the English language are native
speakers. To be more precise, the ones from a particular continent which
we will leave unnamed to avoid unnecessary trouble. And come to think of
it, it's quite logical. You natives learn English by listening to your
mum and dad, and learn to write it much later. MUCH later sometimes ;-)
Whereas we non-native speakers (or rather writers in this case) learn it
by reading and writing, and only later assuming a correct pronouncation
according to personal preference. Or just ignore the correct
pronouncation and live with the funny accent. I try to go for "vaguely
British" as I'm an European after all. Bit rusty and accented now
though, as it has been ages since I've been having a good conversation
in English. I used to try Aussie especially when drunk, but my current
girlfriend is an Ozzer (who speaks perfect Finnish to the point of
having a worse Finnish accent in English than me at <not so sober>
times) and slagged my good natured efforts with the Aussie twang often
enough for me to quit trying :-)
-lark-
-lark-
Gary
> You mean hay *BALES*?
> (Now all you folk from farming backgrounds know the real term...it's "hay
> things"!!) :-)
> --
> Regards,
> Bruce Kennewell,
> Canberra, Australia.
> ---------------------------
> > ( And I often get airborne at Snetterton due to those hay-things right
> next
> > to the road ;p )
> > Frank
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> > (There is also the side benefit to those of non-English-speaking
> > nationalities where their knowledge of English can be supported when
they
> > know the correct spelling of a word and the correct grammatical
structure of
> > a sentence. Unless genuine spelling errors are pointed out, how will
they
> > ever know what is correct or not?)
> Don't worry. We will. It's not like we non-natives were reading your
> Anglo drivel with a dictionary in one hand, without the benefit of being
> able to extrapolate on context whenever you guys***up your spelling
> ;-)
> Seriously though. After my 5 years or so in the Net, it would appear
> that absolutely the worst spellers of the English language are native
> speakers. To be more precise, the ones from a particular continent which
> we will leave unnamed to avoid unnecessary trouble. And come to think of
> it, it's quite logical. You natives learn English by listening to your
> mum and dad, and learn to write it much later. MUCH later sometimes ;-)
> Whereas we non-native speakers (or rather writers in this case) learn it
> by reading and writing, and only later assuming a correct pronouncation
> according to personal preference. Or just ignore the correct
> pronouncation and live with the funny accent. I try to go for "vaguely
> British" as I'm an European after all. Bit rusty and accented now
> though, as it has been ages since I've been having a good conversation
> in English. I used to try Aussie especially when drunk, but my current
> girlfriend is an Ozzer (who speaks perfect Finnish to the point of
> having a worse Finnish accent in English than me at <not so sober>
> times) and slagged my good natured efforts with the Aussie twang often
> enough for me to quit trying :-)
> -lark-
Rafe Mc
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:44:40 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
>We all make typographical errors....but there is a vast difference between a
>typo and illiteracy and it is the latter that I find disappointing when it
>is repetitive and comes from a resident of an English-speaking country.
>(There is also the side benefit to those of non-English-speaking
>nationalities where their knowledge of English can be supported when they
>know the correct spelling of a word and the correct grammatical structure of
>a sentence. Unless genuine spelling errors are pointed out, how will they
>ever know what is correct or not?)
>Sorry Phil, but I love the English language and get great pleasure out of
>reading not only well-crafted statements but also those that are spelt
>correctly. If that's a crime, tough.
> Not that I would ever try such a childish stunt, but go to Roen, come
> out of the last turn at full speed and as your passing the pits ver
> right and launch up the grass embankment, try to miss the first trees.
> As mentioned, the biggest realistic air in gpl is at the Nurburgring.
Paul
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ROTFLMAO, the irony, the irony!!
0.1 of a sceond - was this deliberate? I am not criticising you...it just
was funny
Ash
| I agree as well Bruce, I hate it when people can't take the 0.1 of a
| sceond to spell their words correctly, or put full stops when
| required. It just makes messages hard to read, newsgroups are too full
| of poorly phrased and spelt messages.
|
| Rafe Mc
> Okay....I'm not sure whether you are agreeing or not but thanks for your
> feedback. Appreciated, Joona.
If you want an actual point of view on the matter. Well, sure it's
preferable that folks spell correctly. In any language. But my initial
point (that was promptly lost while writing) was that non-native English
speakers are not that bad they would suffer significantly more from
spelling errors. I mean, if you use the Net in English for fun, you most
probably are not having any basic difficulties with the language. If you
did, it wouldn't be fun.
In a nutshell: I objected the "non-natives can't understand" as an
argument to mind your spelling. Those who are fluent enough to read
newsgroups in English at all can tell from context the difference
between bale and bail just as well or badly as natives.
And then I sorta drifted to other things...
:-)
-lark-
Please don't feel that I was belittling you and others with your high
capabilities in English. But you are the exception and I know from personal
feedback that what I first said is true: there *are* a lot of non-English
speakers/writers out there who *do* appreciate the display on the internet
of correctly structured English.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> > Okay....I'm not sure whether you are agreeing or not but thanks for your
> > feedback. Appreciated, Joona.
> Heh :-) Sorry, was stuck in a ramble mode and got sidetracked.
> If you want an actual point of view on the matter. Well, sure it's
> preferable that folks spell correctly. In any language. But my initial
> point (that was promptly lost while writing) was that non-native English
> speakers are not that bad they would suffer significantly more from
> spelling errors. I mean, if you use the Net in English for fun, you most
> probably are not having any basic difficulties with the language. If you
> did, it wouldn't be fun.
> In a nutshell: I objected the "non-natives can't understand" as an
> argument to mind your spelling. Those who are fluent enough to read
> newsgroups in English at all can tell from context the difference
> between bale and bail just as well or badly as natives.
> And then I sorta drifted to other things...
> :-)
> -lark-
What was supposed to be a minor point and a side note, blew out of
proportion as I got carried away with the writing. In any case, I think
we both agree most people would rather read proper language, whatever
the language is.
On the other hand, people seldom misspell on purpose and notifying them
about their errors can often feel nitpicking. However polite you are. So
I kind of understand if folks tend to get irritated.
But whatever. I don't consider it a big deal either way.
So why am I still writing about it? :-)
-lark-
I can also appreciate that my personal attitude towards correcting errors
has been, and will continue to be, taken as being "school-marmy" and
nit-picky. So be it, because if only ONE, just one person here has has been
able to correct their English because I nit-picked then my life on the
internet has not been without reward. :-)
My work here is done. Hi-ho, Silver!
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------
> > Please don't feel that I was belittling you and others with your high
> > capabilities in English. But you are the exception and I know from
personal
> > feedback that what I first said is true: there *are* a lot of
non-English
> > speakers/writers out there who *do* appreciate the display on the
internet
> > of correctly structured English.
> Ah, okay, whatever. And my intention was not to complain us foreigners
> were being belittled :-)
> What was supposed to be a minor point and a side note, blew out of
> proportion as I got carried away with the writing. In any case, I think
> we both agree most people would rather read proper language, whatever
> the language is.
> On the other hand, people seldom misspell on purpose and notifying them
> about their errors can often feel nitpicking. However polite you are. So
> I kind of understand if folks tend to get irritated.
> But whatever. I don't consider it a big deal either way.
> So why am I still writing about it? :-)
> -lark-