rec.autos.simulators

Could you clarify what you mean by illegal use of N2.  I cant but I
guess I can
believe that PAPYRUS would threaten its NASCAR 2 KALI, etc users and say

they have committed some sort of a crime.  Might we get a knock on the
door from
the PAPRYUS attorney and be sued by your company.

You got my address, you've sent enough registered mail here already..
Let me
be the first to be served.

Don Wilshe, IVGA

Note:    Making a statement like that could harm those company's
financially
            and we would all appreciate some clarification....

Don Wilshe, IVGA

PS.    Hope NRO is up soon...

While I'd be interested in hearing from Papyrus on this, unless you
are a complete paranoid schizophrenic, you MUST realize that this is
in all likelihood something similar to what you hear during a football
broadcast ("reuse or retransmission of this broadcast without the
express written prior consent of the NFL and the Miami Dolphins is
expressly prohibited" or something like that).  The intent is not that
you can't tape the game or have friends over and show the tape as much
as that you aren't to be turning it into a profit-making venture.
Have you gone to the NFL and ***ed and moaned that their wording
might be interpreted by some paranoid person as meaning they couldn't
tape the game for later watching or even loan a copy of the tape to a
friend who missed the game?  

Anyway, given your past history, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
you're spearheading another Papyrus witch-hunt...it really does get
old, Don.  Contrary to popular belief, Papyrus is not made up of a
bunch of killjoys who are out to destroy you.

Randy

Mike Radler

Hawaii Ace League http://www.dithots.org/hal

Back off Randy!!!!!

We've all seen the answer for this one, but jeez. . .
Don had a legitimate question here. If Dave Matson makes a post with the words
 potentially illegal in it, I think it is quite correct to request a
 clarification.

Talk about schizo.... "while I'd be interested...in all likelihood...something
 similar...."
Are you sure about your facts Randy?

What a bunch of self-righteous dribble. . .

-/- Walk Walker
#19

Walk Walker - turn left and go very very fast until they tell you to stop.....

Mike:

why dont they just say what it is... Not some sort of scare tactic.
This is the same
***they pulled when I talked about dial-up nascar racing at cafe's.
They want
it all for themselves.  It's the same old Ed Martin Scare tactic's.
Roll-over if
it makes you feel good...

I am asking the question so I can tell the IVGA members if they are
doing something
legal or illegal..

I owe it to them..  I dont think you would want something keep from them
and find they
all get sued by PAPYRUS

Don

Whatever Randy . . .

Some people get so defensive. If anything, I kind of thought Don posted this
 tounge-in-cheek. But regardless, this IS a newsgroup and I can not think of a
 place where a simple clarification involving the law and that little
 organization Don is involved with (IVGA) is easier or less offensive than
 here.

-/- Walk Walker
#19
Walk Walker - turn left and go very very fast until they tell you to stop.....

Mike Radler

Sure, anyone can say anything they like, but if they use poor manners
they can expect to see responses like the one I wrote.  And given the
source and the consistent nature of his attacks on Papyrus, you'll
have to excuse me if I treat it like the attack that it is.

Randy

You hope not?  uh huh...you'd be jumping up and down with glee if they
were...because that's the way you want them to be -- because the very
pathetic truth of the matter is that your relevance these days is
defined by how much you can present yourself as "defender of the
little guy" against mean ole Papyrus.

Randy

Randy:

All I did was ask one question of Dave Matson after he posted email that
we were doing
something POTENIALLY ILLEGAL.  I ask what was it???

Don Wilshe

As of this email.. Dave Matson still hasnt told us what it is....  If he
is going to make statements
that can affect us.   I think he should be clear.  Before I was more
money on NASCAR racing
at KALI, KAHN, ZONE, etc.  If he knows something to back up his
statement he should tell
us..

Let me make it simple for you randy.  Dave says that you are doing
something pontially illegal.
Dont you want to know what it is???  Call me at (941) 283-3441 and we
can talk about
it...

Thanks Don Wilshe

And you are dead wrong.. I think Papyrus and Dave Matson are great
company and a good
person..  Do you think I would spend thousands of dollars on a site to
slam PAPRYUS.  Thats
called supporting PAPYRUS.. But I dont agree with them all the
time...But I do agree with
them 99% of the time...  It's these sort of statements that come out
from time to time that
need clarification..

Always appreciate your input

You guys need to get the facts straight. Dave posted first on TEN's
newsgroup responding to someone's post, in which he stated "potentially
illegal".  Don then responded to this post asking him to clarify. Dave then
responded soon after. Don posted a copy of Dave first post, and  his (Don)
question asking him to clarify, but didn't wait for Dave respones before he
posted to RAS. I understand Don's position of wanting to know so he can go
and tell all ivga members. But IMO, he should have waited for the response
and posted the whole thing. BTW, don't you guys read the fine print before
you bust the shrink wrap.<G>

Julian, I don't need to read the post, I seen it all unfold on TEN. Don did
not post first. It went like this. Dave responds to a post from another
user, Don posts a question to Dave concerning his last post, Dave posts a
reply. Not trying to flame anyone, I just call'em like I see'um.

(snip)
 Pmfji  but the "illegality" issue actually first came up on the TEN news
server some time ago. If I remember correctly , the programmers, after hearing
that a Nascar2 area was being advertised on  either Heat or the Zone (I forget
which) began musing as to whether that was illegal as TEN has an exclusive
for N2. It was kind of a side thread within a thread about the viability of
N2 on those services. I am positive that that this issue is what Dave was
referring to.... I imagine it gets a bit exasperating for the Papy and TEN
guys having their sentences squeezed like a wet chamois. In all fairness,
though I've been reading the TEN newsgroup since day one and knew what he
was talking about. Perhaps Don missed those posts.
Regards,
Gavel

 newsgroup responding to someone's post, in which he stated "potentially
illegal".  Don then responded to this post asking him to clarify.  >>

As if that's ALL that was contained in Don's post.  Don't attempt to spin
 history, here.  Don's post was incredibly confrontational.  Immediately
 following his initial question he said (I'm paraphrasing) "I can believe that
 Papyrus would send Lawyers out to sue its NASCAR 2 owners" and then followed
 up by, rather childishly in my opinion, daring Papyrus by starting with him.
 It was the classic "Put up yer dukes" from Don towards Papyrus.  He twisted
 Dave's words and then tried to make it sound like Papyrus was out to get all
 NASCAR users.  Its really sad that anyone would come on and try to portray
 Don's behavior as a mere "query for clarification".

 ivga members. >>

If you truly believe that this is Don's motivation, I've got a bridge to sell
 you.  He later referred to Dave's comments as "Scare tactics" and said that it
 was because they just wanted everything for themselves.  Hardly the actions
 and attitude of someone simply seeking to get a story for his IVGA membership.
  This was picking a fight plain and simple.  There are a hundred other ways he
 could have asked Dave to clarify without acting so paranoid and
 confrontational.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Staff Writer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com/