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HDTV gaming

schoone

HDTV gaming

by schoone » Sat, 09 Dec 2006 03:46:45

Yes they required a light controlled room.



>> I bought a DLP 480p projector (yes I know it's not High Def), but it
>> was only $600 and the 92" screen was thrown in for free!

>> Even in standard def, the picture is great. Recommend you get a
>> projector if you have the space, but 1080i resolution might be
>> expensive.

>> A lot more bang for the buck.

> How are those projectors in daylight viewing? Don't they require a
> darkened
> room?

Lancelo

HDTV gaming

by Lancelo » Mon, 11 Dec 2006 03:35:34

One of the big things I noticed when I purchased my set about a year ago was
that the Plasma has a glass type screen and there was quite a bit of glare.
I ended up with a Panasonic LCD 50" and it has been excellent so far. The
bulb is replaceable and although I took an extended warranty to cover the
bulb it still burns brightly. The best thing to do is go to circuit city,
best buy ect and just look at them until you find the one that stands out.


> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and hasnt
> been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to burn-in and
> they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company line".  DLP was a
> cute interim technology but anyone that has had to spend hundreds
> replacing guns every couple of years knows the real deal behind DLP.

> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should present
> us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near future.

> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say 6hrs
> a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting for
> <$1500.

> Mitch



>>I don't agree with a lot in the comparisions, and find it technically
>>weak. But it's a good start.

>> I spent the better part of 4 months looking at every technology in
>> person, in various stores, before I purchased.  I went with DLP because:

>> 1.  There is no issue with burn-in.
>> 2.  The picture is simply gorgeous.
>> 3.  There is no backlight to worry about.  Yes, the lamp has to be
>> replaced every 5000 to 8000 hours, but it is a REPLACEABLE part.  Try
>> getting an LCD backlight replaced.  In my work, I have to have several
>> hundred Laptops repaired a year due to bad backlights (they are a
>> relatively high-failure item).  Every one has required LCD replacement at
>> a very high cost.
>> 4.  I liked the built-in stand design of the Samsung HLP-5085.

>> Most HDTV's have to do image conversion.  However, the writer of the
>> article seemed to only point to DLP as needing this.  That is incorrect.

>> Don't get me wrong.  I like LCD's.  I have FIVE of them around me in my
>> office as I type this, including a 19" widescreen sony up on the wall
>> playing "House".

>> After much research and personal visits to see them, I just prefer DLP
>> for my living room.

>> -Larry



>>> http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html

Gil

HDTV gaming

by Gil » Mon, 11 Dec 2006 23:52:02

Projector wouldn't work well in a bright or sunlit room. We use ours in
our ba***t family room and it is fine. At night, we can have a light
on in the room and the image is still bright.

Gil

Lancelo

HDTV gaming

by Lancelo » Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:05:54

Projectors are excellent! It was the 450.00 bulb that turned me away.


Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:49:08

That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD screen.

I hear they are pretty good.

-Larry


> One of the big things I noticed when I purchased my set about a year ago
> was that the Plasma has a glass type screen and there was quite a bit of
> glare. I ended up with a Panasonic LCD 50" and it has been excellent so
> far. The bulb is replaceable and although I took an extended warranty to
> cover the bulb it still burns brightly. The best thing to do is go to
> circuit city, best buy ect and just look at them until you find the one
> that stands out.



>> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and hasnt
>> been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to burn-in and
>> they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company line".  DLP was a
>> cute interim technology but anyone that has had to spend hundreds
>> replacing guns every couple of years knows the real deal behind DLP.

>> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should
>> present us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near
>> future.

>> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say
>> 6hrs a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting
>> for <$1500.

>> Mitch



>>>I don't agree with a lot in the comparisions, and find it technically
>>>weak. But it's a good start.

>>> I spent the better part of 4 months looking at every technology in
>>> person, in various stores, before I purchased.  I went with DLP because:

>>> 1.  There is no issue with burn-in.
>>> 2.  The picture is simply gorgeous.
>>> 3.  There is no backlight to worry about.  Yes, the lamp has to be
>>> replaced every 5000 to 8000 hours, but it is a REPLACEABLE part.  Try
>>> getting an LCD backlight replaced.  In my work, I have to have several
>>> hundred Laptops repaired a year due to bad backlights (they are a
>>> relatively high-failure item).  Every one has required LCD replacement
>>> at a very high cost.
>>> 4.  I liked the built-in stand design of the Samsung HLP-5085.

>>> Most HDTV's have to do image conversion.  However, the writer of the
>>> article seemed to only point to DLP as needing this.  That is incorrect.

>>> Don't get me wrong.  I like LCD's.  I have FIVE of them around me in my
>>> office as I type this, including a 19" widescreen sony up on the wall
>>> playing "House".

>>> After much research and personal visits to see them, I just prefer DLP
>>> for my living room.

>>> -Larry



>>>> http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html

Dav

HDTV gaming

by Dav » Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:31:06


>That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

>Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
>typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD screen.

>I hear they are pretty good.

Referring to the Panasonic?  Panasonic doesn't make LCOS (Liquid
Crystal On Silicon).  They make DLP, LCD and Plasma.  LCOS makers
include Sony, JVC (and Syntax-Brilian?).  It is reflective vs LCD's
transmissive.  One of the resulting benefits is potential for darker
darks.  Sony's SXRD (their trade term for LCOS) line get very high
ratings.  Caveat: do a search on "green blob".

Best bet is to go and look at the pictures for yourself, but even
then be skeptical as a lot depends on how the TV's are set up in the
showroom.  Me, I find that the rear-projections look more film-like
in nature.  Whereas the direct-view flat panel LCD's and plasmas
look a lot punchier and more TV-like, especially the latter as they
also use phosphors.  So, it in part depends on what you prefer in a
picture.

Very confusing, I know.

Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Wed, 13 Dec 2006 01:50:27

What confused me is he mentioned the lamp is replaceable.  That is very
unusual for a true LCD type display panel.

It would be the first I've heard of in many years.

-Larry




>>That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

>>Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
>>typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD screen.

>>I hear they are pretty good.

> Referring to the Panasonic?  Panasonic doesn't make LCOS (Liquid
> Crystal On Silicon).  They make DLP, LCD and Plasma.  LCOS makers
> include Sony, JVC (and Syntax-Brilian?).  It is reflective vs LCD's
> transmissive.  One of the resulting benefits is potential for darker
> darks.  Sony's SXRD (their trade term for LCOS) line get very high
> ratings.  Caveat: do a search on "green blob".

> Best bet is to go and look at the pictures for yourself, but even
> then be skeptical as a lot depends on how the TV's are set up in the
> showroom.  Me, I find that the rear-projections look more film-like
> in nature.  Whereas the direct-view flat panel LCD's and plasmas
> look a lot punchier and more TV-like, especially the latter as they
> also use phosphors.  So, it in part depends on what you prefer in a
> picture.

> Very confusing, I know.

Lancelo

HDTV gaming

by Lancelo » Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:06:12

Yes it is an LCD rear Projection. Has 1 lamp that is consumer replaceable.
Here is a link on it:
http://products.howstuffworks.com/panasonic-pt-50lc14-50-inch-lcd-tv-...

I have had it over a year and with the Comcast HD/DVR box, it has a
tremendous picture. I saw this along side Samsung and Sony DLP's of the day,
and this picture was clearly the best. Money was no object at the time. I
merely wanted what looked the best and brightest. As stated earlier, all the
plasmas had glare in the showrooms due to their glass screens and that
concerned me.


> That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

> Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
> typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD screen.

> I hear they are pretty good.

> -Larry



>> One of the big things I noticed when I purchased my set about a year ago
>> was that the Plasma has a glass type screen and there was quite a bit of
>> glare. I ended up with a Panasonic LCD 50" and it has been excellent so
>> far. The bulb is replaceable and although I took an extended warranty to
>> cover the bulb it still burns brightly. The best thing to do is go to
>> circuit city, best buy ect and just look at them until you find the one
>> that stands out.



>>> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and
>>> hasnt been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to
>>> burn-in and they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company line".
>>> DLP was a cute interim technology but anyone that has had to spend
>>> hundreds replacing guns every couple of years knows the real deal behind
>>> DLP.

>>> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should
>>> present us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near
>>> future.

>>> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say
>>> 6hrs a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting
>>> for <$1500.

>>> Mitch



>>>>I don't agree with a lot in the comparisions, and find it technically
>>>>weak. But it's a good start.

>>>> I spent the better part of 4 months looking at every technology in
>>>> person, in various stores, before I purchased.  I went with DLP
>>>> because:

>>>> 1.  There is no issue with burn-in.
>>>> 2.  The picture is simply gorgeous.
>>>> 3.  There is no backlight to worry about.  Yes, the lamp has to be
>>>> replaced every 5000 to 8000 hours, but it is a REPLACEABLE part.  Try
>>>> getting an LCD backlight replaced.  In my work, I have to have several
>>>> hundred Laptops repaired a year due to bad backlights (they are a
>>>> relatively high-failure item).  Every one has required LCD replacement
>>>> at a very high cost.
>>>> 4.  I liked the built-in stand design of the Samsung HLP-5085.

>>>> Most HDTV's have to do image conversion.  However, the writer of the
>>>> article seemed to only point to DLP as needing this.  That is
>>>> incorrect.

>>>> Don't get me wrong.  I like LCD's.  I have FIVE of them around me in my
>>>> office as I type this, including a 19" widescreen sony up on the wall
>>>> playing "House".

>>>> After much research and personal visits to see them, I just prefer DLP
>>>> for my living room.

>>>> -Larry



>>>>> http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html

Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:26:16

Ok, so I was right afterall :)

-Larry


> Yes it is an LCD rear Projection. Has 1 lamp that is consumer replaceable.
> Here is a link on it:
> http://products.howstuffworks.com/panasonic-pt-50lc14-50-inch-lcd-tv-...

> I have had it over a year and with the Comcast HD/DVR box, it has a
> tremendous picture. I saw this along side Samsung and Sony DLP's of the
> day, and this picture was clearly the best. Money was no object at the
> time. I merely wanted what looked the best and brightest. As stated
> earlier, all the plasmas had glare in the showrooms due to their glass
> screens and that concerned me.



>> That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

>> Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
>> typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD
>> screen.

>> I hear they are pretty good.

>> -Larry



>>> One of the big things I noticed when I purchased my set about a year ago
>>> was that the Plasma has a glass type screen and there was quite a bit of
>>> glare. I ended up with a Panasonic LCD 50" and it has been excellent so
>>> far. The bulb is replaceable and although I took an extended warranty to
>>> cover the bulb it still burns brightly. The best thing to do is go to
>>> circuit city, best buy ect and just look at them until you find the one
>>> that stands out.



>>>> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and
>>>> hasnt been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to
>>>> burn-in and they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company line".
>>>> DLP was a cute interim technology but anyone that has had to spend
>>>> hundreds replacing guns every couple of years knows the real deal
>>>> behind DLP.

>>>> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should
>>>> present us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near
>>>> future.

>>>> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say
>>>> 6hrs a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting
>>>> for <$1500.

>>>> Mitch



>>>>>I don't agree with a lot in the comparisions, and find it technically
>>>>>weak. But it's a good start.

>>>>> I spent the better part of 4 months looking at every technology in
>>>>> person, in various stores, before I purchased.  I went with DLP
>>>>> because:

>>>>> 1.  There is no issue with burn-in.
>>>>> 2.  The picture is simply gorgeous.
>>>>> 3.  There is no backlight to worry about.  Yes, the lamp has to be
>>>>> replaced every 5000 to 8000 hours, but it is a REPLACEABLE part.  Try
>>>>> getting an LCD backlight replaced.  In my work, I have to have several
>>>>> hundred Laptops repaired a year due to bad backlights (they are a
>>>>> relatively high-failure item).  Every one has required LCD replacement
>>>>> at a very high cost.
>>>>> 4.  I liked the built-in stand design of the Samsung HLP-5085.

>>>>> Most HDTV's have to do image conversion.  However, the writer of the
>>>>> article seemed to only point to DLP as needing this.  That is
>>>>> incorrect.

>>>>> Don't get me wrong.  I like LCD's.  I have FIVE of them around me in
>>>>> my office as I type this, including a 19" widescreen sony up on the
>>>>> wall playing "House".

>>>>> After much research and personal visits to see them, I just prefer DLP
>>>>> for my living room.

>>>>> -Larry



>>>>>> http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html

Lancelo

HDTV gaming

by Lancelo » Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:42:31

If you want to have some real fun with this set, split the screen and run
GPL Monaco on 1 half while watching Monaco live on the other. Brilliant!


> Ok, so I was right afterall :)

> -Larry



>> Yes it is an LCD rear Projection. Has 1 lamp that is consumer
>> replaceable. Here is a link on it:
>> http://products.howstuffworks.com/panasonic-pt-50lc14-50-inch-lcd-tv-...

>> I have had it over a year and with the Comcast HD/DVR box, it has a
>> tremendous picture. I saw this along side Samsung and Sony DLP's of the
>> day, and this picture was clearly the best. Money was no object at the
>> time. I merely wanted what looked the best and brightest. As stated
>> earlier, all the plasmas had glare in the showrooms due to their glass
>> screens and that concerned me.



>>> That's one of the LCOS rear-projections, right?

>>> Just wanted to clarify.  It's a different technology than what people
>>> typically think of when they hear "LCD".  It's not actually an LCD
>>> screen.

>>> I hear they are pretty good.

>>> -Larry



>>>> One of the big things I noticed when I purchased my set about a year
>>>> ago was that the Plasma has a glass type screen and there was quite a
>>>> bit of glare. I ended up with a Panasonic LCD 50" and it has been
>>>> excellent so far. The bulb is replaceable and although I took an
>>>> extended warranty to cover the bulb it still burns brightly. The best
>>>> thing to do is go to circuit city, best buy ect and just look at them
>>>> until you find the one that stands out.



>>>>> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and
>>>>> hasnt been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to
>>>>> burn-in and they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company
>>>>> line". DLP was a cute interim technology but anyone that has had to
>>>>> spend hundreds replacing guns every couple of years knows the real
>>>>> deal behind DLP.

>>>>> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should
>>>>> present us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near
>>>>> future.

>>>>> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say
>>>>> 6hrs a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting
>>>>> for <$1500.

>>>>> Mitch



>>>>>>I don't agree with a lot in the comparisions, and find it technically
>>>>>>weak. But it's a good start.

>>>>>> I spent the better part of 4 months looking at every technology in
>>>>>> person, in various stores, before I purchased.  I went with DLP
>>>>>> because:

>>>>>> 1.  There is no issue with burn-in.
>>>>>> 2.  The picture is simply gorgeous.
>>>>>> 3.  There is no backlight to worry about.  Yes, the lamp has to be
>>>>>> replaced every 5000 to 8000 hours, but it is a REPLACEABLE part.  Try
>>>>>> getting an LCD backlight replaced.  In my work, I have to have
>>>>>> several hundred Laptops repaired a year due to bad backlights (they
>>>>>> are a relatively high-failure item).  Every one has required LCD
>>>>>> replacement at a very high cost.
>>>>>> 4.  I liked the built-in stand design of the Samsung HLP-5085.

>>>>>> Most HDTV's have to do image conversion.  However, the writer of the
>>>>>> article seemed to only point to DLP as needing this.  That is
>>>>>> incorrect.

>>>>>> Don't get me wrong.  I like LCD's.  I have FIVE of them around me in
>>>>>> my office as I type this, including a 19" widescreen sony up on the
>>>>>> wall playing "House".

>>>>>> After much research and personal visits to see them, I just prefer
>>>>>> DLP for my living room.

>>>>>> -Larry



>>>>>>> http://www.dlptvreview.com/dlptv/dlptelevision.html


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