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HDTV gaming

Dav

HDTV gaming

by Dav » Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:56:23



>> You might still be able to buy CRT HDTV's. They are heavy and huge, but
>> the picture quality can be even better than LCD's for much less money.

>Yea, you can still buy them but the largest I have seen is only 32".

34" Sony XBR970.  Which, alas, is really an XBR in name only.  It
doesn't have the super fine pitch screen of the previous 34" XBR and
XS960 (XS955?) models.  Still a hefty 200lbs+.  But how often do you
move 'em?
Bob Lobla

HDTV gaming

by Bob Lobla » Mon, 04 Dec 2006 07:29:06


> Burn-in is now pretty much a non factor on most decent Plasma's and hasnt
> been for more than 2 years.   DLP owners will ALWAYS point to burn-in and
> they are just perpetuating the DLP industry "company line".  DLP was a
> cute interim technology but anyone that has had to spend hundreds
> replacing guns every couple of years knows the real deal behind DLP.

> Samsung and Sony recently announced a mfg partnership which should present
> us with 46" and 52" LCD's at a very low price in the very near future.

> Right now the only REALISTIC choice is Plasma,  PERIOD.  (can you say 6hrs
> a day for 27yrs?).  That 50" Plasma Samsung is REALLY interesting for
> <$1500.

> Mitch



50" 1080p plasmas are simply too expensive. DLP's inches/dollar ratio is
unbeatable. I can get a 50 inches 1080p DLP for the same price as a 40"
1080p LCD. Most LCDs have a 8 ms response time while SHARP makes a unit that
is faster. DLP have response times in the micro second range but they lag if
you feed them non native resolutions and they have to convert them.
Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:03:06

The TV I had prior to my 50" DLP was a Sony KV32XBR50 (a true XBR).  It was
very expensive when I bought it in 1991 ($2000 with stand).  And yeah, the
bastaad was HEAVY!  Worst part is, 80% of the weight is in the front 2" of
the TV (due to the CRT Glass) which made it really hard to work with.  Once
it got on the stand, it never left.  Not in 15 years, until it's new owner
came and got it a year or so ago.

Carpet installers hated that TV LOL!

I had ONE problem with the TV, when it was about 3 years old.  It had a cold
solder joint on the video board, and since I had the extended warranty
Circuit City came out and fixed it on-site in 30 minutes.

That was really an amazing TV.  My TV is on some 6-8 hrs a day, and even
after 15 years it never showed any signs of the tube getting weaker or out
of alignment.

I gave it to a co-worker a year or so ago, and he still uses it every day.
I was going to keep it, but it was just too damned big to use as a bedroom
TV.

Sony used to make the best TV's on the market, bar none.  I don't know if
it's like that any more.

-Larry


Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:07:43

I feed my 50" DLP a 1080i signal from my Cable Box (and scales it to 720p),
and I don't see any lag.  There are possibly two reasons for that:

1.  Mine is a high-end unit, and has the high-end HD2+ chipset.
2.  It also has the Farouja (sp?) scaler.

I have heard the cheap HD3 chipset/non-Farouja TV's could have an issue with
this, but personally I've never seen it.

Frankly, I've fed my TV both 720p and 1080i signals, and I can't tell a
whole lot of difference.  I just leave the cable box at 1080i so I don't
have to reset it every time the damn thing crashes.  1080i is the default.

There are few things I own that I despise more than the SA8300 HD Cable
Box/DVR my cable company provides, but until they have Tivo units sometime
next year, it's all there is.

-Larry


Dav

HDTV gaming

by Dav » Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:13:52


>Sony used to make the best TV's on the market, bar none.  I don't know if
>it's like that any more.

They still have the rep for the best CRT's.  Then again, there is
little competition these days, from themselves included.  CRT's are
a dying breed.  As to longevity, don't know.  But I did have a
Toshiba that wouldn't die (14 when I decided it was time to
upgrade).  And ditto for a Panasonic (10 when I upgraded, now about
3 years into service at the folks).

I'm afraid we've become much more of a throw-away society.  My LCD
rear-pro is less than 3 years old, cost 2.5x as much as the above
two TV's combined, and already thinking about a new one.

Andrew MacPhers

HDTV gaming

by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:18:00


> I'm afraid we've become much more of a throw-away society.

Agreed. I would actually love to replace my 28" CRT TV with something
sleeker and more mobile. But it's a good screen, is only 4 years old,
and I absolutely *hate* disposing of working kit. If it'd die that'd be a
different matter. :-) But it shows no doing so and has very little
resale value in these flat screen times.

I shall try to stick to my principles... and avoid looking at January
sale prices.

Andrew McP

RAID!!

HDTV gaming

by RAID!! » Wed, 06 Dec 2006 03:54:57

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Andrew MacPherson

HDTV's are only good for HD content and DVD movies, watching standard TV
signal on them is shite compared to the CRT you have now. Most people with
HDTV watch SD TV stretched from 4:3 to 16:9 apsect ratio which is absolute
***looking. What do people mostly use HDTV for? To watch 4:3 TV
stretched. Bleh!

Larr

HDTV gaming

by Larr » Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:29:58

Actually, my Samsung does SD quite well, and I don't stretch it (I hate
stretched SD).

I've heard the Sony's do a good job as well.

Now, my entire cable system is digital, with no analog signals any more, so
that may make a difference.

-Larry


> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Andrew MacPherson

> HDTV's are only good for HD content and DVD movies, watching standard TV
> signal on them is shite compared to the CRT you have now. Most people with
> HDTV watch SD TV stretched from 4:3 to 16:9 apsect ratio which is absolute
> ***looking. What do people mostly use HDTV for? To watch 4:3 TV
> stretched. Bleh!

timmy thompso

HDTV gaming

by timmy thompso » Wed, 06 Dec 2006 07:03:59


> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 04:18 +0000 (GMT Standard Time), Andrew MacPherson

>> Agreed. I would actually love to replace my 28" CRT TV with something
>> sleeker and more mobile. But it's a good screen, is only 4 years old,
>> and I absolutely *hate* disposing of working kit. If it'd die that'd be a
>> different matter. :-) But it shows no doing so and has very little
>> resale value in these flat screen times.

>> I shall try to stick to my principles... and avoid looking at January
>> sale prices.

>> Andrew McP

> HDTV's are only good for HD content and DVD movies, watching standard TV
> signal on them is shite compared to the CRT you have now. Most people with
> HDTV watch SD TV stretched from 4:3 to 16:9 apsect ratio which is absolute
> ***looking. What do people mostly use HDTV for? To watch 4:3 TV
> stretched. Bleh!

Thats why I like my Panasonic CRT HDTV. SD looks pretty good. Also from
what I read Panasonic makes the best panoramic stretch mode (stretches
the sides more than the center), but now I just watch 4:3 in 4:3 and HD
in full glory. Plus the SD does not show tons of artifacts like many
TV's show nowadays.
RAID!!

HDTV gaming

by RAID!! » Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:58:00


> Actually, my Samsung does SD quite well, and I don't stretch it (I hate
> stretched SD).

The Viewsonic LCD HDTV I had got a *** burn in down the sides of where
the SD TV 4:3 image had been - took the POS back for a refund. Yes, LCD's
can get image burn in. I know two people with plasma HDTV and they both
watch SD TV at 16:9 because they are worried about getting the same issue I
had.
timmy thompso

HDTV gaming

by timmy thompso » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 07:33:11



>> Actually, my Samsung does SD quite well, and I don't stretch it (I hate
>> stretched SD).

> The Viewsonic LCD HDTV I had got a *** burn in down the sides of where
> the SD TV 4:3 image had been - took the POS back for a refund. Yes, LCD's
> can get image burn in. I know two people with plasma HDTV and they both
> watch SD TV at 16:9 because they are worried about getting the same issue I
> had.

How long did it take? Was the contrast or picture at max?
RAID!!

HDTV gaming

by RAID!! » Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:58:35


> How long did it take? Was the contrast or picture at max?

It took about six months until I noticed it. Contrast was low and
brightness was on the high side. That's another thing I didn't like about
that HDTV, it was very contrasty, didn't notice it in the store due to the
bright lights they used.
Gil

HDTV gaming

by Gil » Fri, 08 Dec 2006 09:06:44

I bought a DLP 480p projector (yes I know it's not High Def), but it
was only $600 and the 92" screen was thrown in for free!

Even in standard def, the picture is great. Recommend you get a
projector if you have the space, but 1080i resolution might be
expensive.

A lot more bang for the buck.

schoone

HDTV gaming

by schoone » Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:41:32

The Optoma HD70 is a good projector deal, 720p and under $1000US.


RAID!!

HDTV gaming

by RAID!! » Sat, 09 Dec 2006 02:42:52


How are those projectors in daylight viewing? Don't they require a darkened
room?


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