rec.autos.simulators

> AD


> > IF you have any non-standard controller setup, that is.

> > My Act-Labs wheel/Thrustmaster pedal combo (2 separate controllers) is
> > recognized, but the damn brake is reversed and nothing I try seems to
> > fix it.

> > For a sim targeted at high-end users, they better cobble a patch
> > together.  Sounds like a lot of people w TSW/ECCI gear have the same
> > problem.

> > Kendt

> AD


> > "Uwe Schrkamp" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > > Why should a gameport device need its own drivers? Those ports
> > > have been standardized since when, 1980? ;-) Developers simply
> > > should take a bit more care, that's all.

> > Problem 1: gameports used to be standardised NE555 monostable
> multi***s
> > where the joystick pot was the timing element, but they were too slow to
> > really work with our modern day, high update rate simulations, so now pots
> > are sampled by A/D conversion and scaled to provide the correct values for
> > DirectX. As far as I know this "layer" of the API is manufacturer
> specific.

> > Problem 2: Windows XP's achitecture doesn't allow applications to talk to
> > hardware directly (for damn good reasons, IMO).

> > So games end up using the codemonkeys' interpretation of the API, which
> may
> > or may not be exactly right or compatible with all gameports/devices
> > (assuming those were constructed/written correctly to support DirectX in
> the
> > first place).

> > But I agree, if some developers can get it right, their competition should
> > get it right too.

> > I was impressed by the ISI/SimBin guys recently. I wanted to show GPL and
> > GTR to a friend, only to find the pedals on my MOMO were dead (connection
> to
> > the wheel broken). So I broke out my trusty LWFF. So far so good, but the
> > pedals are wired differently, so I had to recalibrate. I got annoyed when
> I
> > noticed the pedals were both reported as combined (Y) and individually (RX
> > and RY) by the drivers and GPL would only select the combined axis for gas
> > and brake. GTR, however, didn't miss a beat and recognised the wheel in
> > split axis mode. Good stuff.

> > I've since repaired the MOMO and consigned the LWFF to the rubbish bin
> > (*** covering wheel had gone tacky and the movement had all but seezed
> up
> > through non-use).

> > Jan.
> > =---

> Oh well, I guess that I'll just have to use my Logi peds with this sim
until a
> patch comes out that fixes this.

> Thanks!

> > BRH....DXTweak will make any axis do what you require it to and not what
it
> > is supposed actually wants to do.....i have used it many time to do
various
> > things but i have never needed to reverse/invert an axis so i dont know
if
> > it will/can do that..i am sure it probably can...might be worth going to
the
> > Wingman webpage where DXTweak2 is from and reading whats there...they
might
> > even have a forum...

> > AD


> > > "Uwe Schrkamp" wrote...
> > > > <snip>
> > > > Why should a gameport device need its own drivers? Those ports
> > > > have been standardized since when, 1980? ;-) Developers simply
> > > > should take a bit more care, that's all.

> > > Problem 1: gameports used to be standardised NE555 monostable
> > multi***s
> > > where the joystick pot was the timing element, but they were too slow
to
> > > really work with our modern day, high update rate simulations, so now
pots
> > > are sampled by A/D conversion and scaled to provide the correct values
for
> > > DirectX. As far as I know this "layer" of the API is manufacturer
> > specific.

> > > Problem 2: Windows XP's achitecture doesn't allow applications to talk
to
> > > hardware directly (for damn good reasons, IMO).

> > > So games end up using the codemonkeys' interpretation of the API,
which
> > may
> > > or may not be exactly right or compatible with all gameports/devices
> > > (assuming those were constructed/written correctly to support DirectX
in
> > the
> > > first place).

> > > But I agree, if some developers can get it right, their competition
should
> > > get it right too.

> > > I was impressed by the ISI/SimBin guys recently. I wanted to show GPL
and
> > > GTR to a friend, only to find the pedals on my MOMO were dead
(connection
> > to
> > > the wheel broken). So I broke out my trusty LWFF. So far so good, but
the
> > > pedals are wired differently, so I had to recalibrate. I got annoyed
when
> > I
> > > noticed the pedals were both reported as combined (Y) and individually
(RX
> > > and RY) by the drivers and GPL would only select the combined axis for
gas
> > > and brake. GTR, however, didn't miss a beat and recognised the wheel
in
> > > split axis mode. Good stuff.

> > > I've since repaired the MOMO and consigned the LWFF to the rubbish bin
> > > (*** covering wheel had gone tacky and the movement had all but
seezed
> > up
> > > through non-use).

> > > Jan.
> > > =---

> Just manually swap the linear Y axis it is so easy i dont know why i didnt
> think of it before...

> At the moment when you click the Y axis you see 3 figures at the top under
> Calibration...mine read as :-

> Min 22  Cen 128  Max 254

> If i change them to :-

> Min 254 Cen 128 Max 22

> i have reversed action...LOL

> Simple :) have fun mate

> AD


> > Thanks AD.  I played a bit more with DXTweak2 and got full range on the
> brakes,
> > but they still are reversed.  8(  Unfortunately, I also did something
> which
> > resulted in the throttle not being recognized (within game) anymore.  --
> Double
> > 8(.

> > Oh well, I guess that I'll just have to use my Logi peds with this sim
> until a
> > patch comes out that fixes this.

> > Thanks!

> > > BRH....DXTweak will make any axis do what you require it to and not what
> it
> > > is supposed actually wants to do.....i have used it many time to do
> various
> > > things but i have never needed to reverse/invert an axis so i dont know
> if
> > > it will/can do that..i am sure it probably can...might be worth going to
> the
> > > Wingman webpage where DXTweak2 is from and reading whats there...they
> might
> > > even have a forum...

> > > AD


> > > > "Uwe Schrkamp" wrote...
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > Why should a gameport device need its own drivers? Those ports
> > > > > have been standardized since when, 1980? ;-) Developers simply
> > > > > should take a bit more care, that's all.

> > > > Problem 1: gameports used to be standardised NE555 monostable
> > > multi***s
> > > > where the joystick pot was the timing element, but they were too slow
> to
> > > > really work with our modern day, high update rate simulations, so now
> pots
> > > > are sampled by A/D conversion and scaled to provide the correct values
> for
> > > > DirectX. As far as I know this "layer" of the API is manufacturer
> > > specific.

> > > > Problem 2: Windows XP's achitecture doesn't allow applications to talk
> to
> > > > hardware directly (for damn good reasons, IMO).

> > > > So games end up using the codemonkeys' interpretation of the API,
> which
> > > may
> > > > or may not be exactly right or compatible with all gameports/devices
> > > > (assuming those were constructed/written correctly to support DirectX
> in
> > > the
> > > > first place).

> > > > But I agree, if some developers can get it right, their competition
> should
> > > > get it right too.

> > > > I was impressed by the ISI/SimBin guys recently. I wanted to show GPL
> and
> > > > GTR to a friend, only to find the pedals on my MOMO were dead
> (connection
> > > to
> > > > the wheel broken). So I broke out my trusty LWFF. So far so good, but
> the
> > > > pedals are wired differently, so I had to recalibrate. I got annoyed
> when
> > > I
> > > > noticed the pedals were both reported as combined (Y) and individually
> (RX
> > > > and RY) by the drivers and GPL would only select the combined axis for
> gas
> > > > and brake. GTR, however, didn't miss a beat and recognised the wheel
> in
> > > > split axis mode. Good stuff.

> > > > I've since repaired the MOMO and consigned the LWFF to the rubbish bin
> > > > (*** covering wheel had gone tacky and the movement had all but
> seezed
> > > up
> > > > through non-use).

> > > > Jan.
> > > > =---

> Play it.  You'll see...

> Look man "you" started it first with the "XYZ beats ZYX" thingy.  It's,
> again, completely subjective.  To simply say "beats it" at various points
in
> a reply, leads to nothing.  Why not develop and expand on this and be more
> comprehensive of the situation that is the Usenet and the power you have
to
> really set up your point intelligently.

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