rec.autos.simulators

> And Tom's comment/question was fine...if there are any rolling eyes due,
it
> is to your post here.

> Marc

> > > Guys, there's a pretty good read over on the Sierra boards about the
> > > upcoming NR2003. It's a pretty long thread so go grab a fresh cup of
> > coffee
> > > before digging in. Enjoy.

> > Bah.  A guy who doesn't give us many answers, with a bunch of kids
> replying
> > with silly questions, making the interesting questions ignored in the
pack
> > when a real serious simracers posts them.

> > ...and in the middle you have Tom Pabst popping up and acting as his
> > usual-self <roll eyes> ;)

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> That engineer is also a fellow sim racer.  He was in a few of my leagues in
> the beta days of Hawaii.  I think he is going to add a lot to authenticity
> of this year's product.

> >  And you think any engineers are doing it for free ?  <g>

> Unless he's lying, at least this particular one is.  He was actually
> contacted after criticizing a few aspects of N2002, and volunteered
> his time to making NR:TFE the ultimate stock car simulation.

> I'm still trying to figure out which NASCAR chief engineer has the
> initials MD.  Spent most of yesterday morning searching team pages on
> google, didn't find a thing.

> For the previous posters (i.e. DGF), if you actually read the
> information in the URL at the beginning of this thread, you'll see
> that engineers have been helping the Papyrus team on previous versions
> but that not all of the data was completely accurate for reasons that
> SpeedDM has explained.  It wasn't a problem with the physics engine
> itself or with the physical dimensions (size/weight/etc) of the
> components modelled, but with properties of those components that
> previous engineers were unwilling to divulge for competitive reasons -
> fudging some information on the aerodynamic properties of the bodywork
> or of the effective spring rate of the suspension, for instance.
> Nothing inherently wrong with the Papyrus physics model (which is in a
> class by itself), just with bits of the data that they were working
> with.

> There was a thread about the pros and cons of historical sims several
> months ago where I noted that it was unlikely any modern simulation
> would be 100% accurate for this reason.  If you divulge the data
> needed to accurately simulate your race car, you've essentially
> allowed your opponents to reverse engineer aspects of your car for the
> cost of a $50 video game - not a good idea.

> Jason

> Is it a good thing or a bad thing that real NASCAR engineers are
> volunteering to help Papy make NR2003 the best sim so far?  I believe
that's
> the only issue.

> Marc

> > I did take time to read the whole thread. While it is exciting to see a
> real
> > WC engineer involved in the development of the sim, it doesn't tell us
> much
> > about the actual feel of the car. He just gives us a bunch of details
> about
> > car setup ("people will not mount the rear track bar, the cars will
bottom
> > out, a baseline of 900/700 won't do anymore", etc), which is great if
> you're
> > into that, but nothing about what we really want to know about the sim
> > (other than the fact of having a real race professional on board as a
> > "consultant").

> > As for Mr Pabst, I think that was just a sarcastic comment. Half of his
> post
> > is about is credentials (a curriculum vitae?). I'm not taking anything
> away
> > from him (hmmm sounds weird in english), just that it was an interesting
> way
> > of posting a question.

> > p.s. Tom, I really like your updated track graphics ;)

> > --
> > Philippe "Philster" Sergerie


> > > Francois, you are way out of line.  This WC engineer is volunteering
his
> > > time to help all of us get a better sim (he is only concerned about
the
> > sim
> > > aspects of the game).  He is then volunteering to tell us about it in
> the
> > > forum thread.  If there is only 1 sentence of worthwhile comment
coming
> > from
> > > his side, it would be 1 sentence more than we had before.  Of course
> there
> > > are moronic replies in the thread, but there is a serious discussion
> with
> > > fantastically positive impacts for all of us in there.  Since this is
> the
> > > end of the line for NASCAR sims and maybe any sims for a while, we
> should
> > > all be thankful if it is improved over the level that Papy could have
> > > achieved without this generous person's help and data.

> > > And Tom's comment/question was fine...if there are any rolling eyes
due,
> > it
> > > is to your post here.

> > > Marc

> > > > > Guys, there's a pretty good read over on the Sierra boards about
the
> > > > > upcoming NR2003. It's a pretty long thread so go grab a fresh cup
of
> > > > coffee
> > > > > before digging in. Enjoy.

> > > > Bah.  A guy who doesn't give us many answers, with a bunch of kids
> > > replying
> > > > with silly questions, making the interesting questions ignored in
the
> > pack
> > > > when a real serious simracers posts them.

> > > > ...and in the middle you have Tom Pabst popping up and acting as his
> > > > usual-self <roll eyes> ;)

> > > > --
> > > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> > That engineer is also a fellow sim racer.  He was in a few of my leagues
in
> > the beta days of Hawaii.  I think he is going to add a lot to
authenticity
> > of this year's product.

> Hmmm, if he's a friend of yours we'll know who to blaim :-)

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> --Groucho Marx--

> I'm just being cynical.

> > This WC engineer is volunteering his time to help all o
> > f us get a better sim (he is only concerned about the sim
> > aspects of the game).  He is then volunteering to tell us about it in
the
> > forum thread.  If there is only 1 sentence of worthwhile comment coming
> from
> > his side, it would be 1 sentence more than we had before.

> It's not the "first" time somebody from a NASCAR team works with Papyrus.
> The information in that thread wasn't really informative about serious
> difference in physics between NR2002 and NR2003.  He often goes "I can't
> tell", either because he's not wolling or he can't.  It's a little
useless,
> imho.

> > And Tom's comment/question was fine...if there are any rolling eyes due,
> it
> > is to your post here.

> Read his post again, he brags all along as usual.

> > > Bah.  A guy who doesn't give us many answers, with a bunch of kids
> replying
> > > with silly questions, making the interesting questions ignored in the
> pack
> > > when a real serious simracers posts them.

> > > ...and in the middle you have Tom Pabst popping up and acting as his
> > > usual-self <roll eyes> ;)

> --
>                                    See ya in the pits,
>                                            Dean

> I have a terrible memory. In fact my memory's so bad I can't remember how
> long it's been since I've forgotten anything.