rec.autos.simulators

by **BRH** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:07:15

Just out of curiousity -- Why would you set the FF to a negative value? I
tried it, and the forces felt like the wheel wanted to turn AWAY from center,
rather than toward center. In other words, the wheel got "lighter" the more I
turned it.

I'm using an LWFF, btw.

I find that a positive value for FF is more realistic.

> Did you set FF in game to negative 100? This may be the same thing as
> setting all the individual values to negative, except is saves time. ;0)

> --
> Joe Marques

> > > I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> > > is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> > > Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> > I've already cusomized my MS FFB wheel (usb) using the settings from the
> > advanced Doc. Feels great. ISI wasn't BS'ing when they said they were
> going
> > to do the FFB right. Thx ISI/EA, this is the best implementation of FFB
> > ever, including GPL. Just wanted to ask you which MS wheel you are using
> > because the - setting is all wrong for my MS FFB wheel. I have to use the
> > opposite to get the right effects. The advanced Doc has the MS wheel
> using -
> > too. Must be the older gameport version or the FF2 wheel maybe.

> > FFB_Steer_Force_Input_Max=(-6800.000000) // Recommended: 7000 (-7000
> > if controller pulls in the wrong direction).

--
Bert

by **STP** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:45:42

Yes, but negative is wrong for my wheel, I have to use positive values.

by **STP** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:46:17

Ok, that probably is why mine has to be positive.

by **Pat Dotso** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:10:16

> Just out of curiousity -- Why would you set the FF to a negative value? I

Some wheels interpret the number as negative. The FF effects will be
screwed up, and feel the way you described. For those wheels, you
need to make the FFB steer force max input a negative number, then
the effects feel right.

It sounds like the newer versions of the MS FF wheel don't have
that problem, and can use a positive number.

--
Pat Dotson

by **Mark Aisthorp** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:03:33

<snip>

I tried, I liked, I kept <G>.

Thanks a lot Pat, feels much nicer.

Mark

by **Jeffrey345** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:36:13

Hi Pat,

thanks for the great setups! using the logitech FF and your setup is way
better than the default one.
btw are there any equally good setups for Nascar4?

thanks

Jeffrey

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 7:56 AM
Subject: F1 2001 FF Profiles

> I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> The stock FF parameters have IMO the grip level set way
> too high. With my settings, I get a much better feel
> for the overall balance of the car. The settings yeild
> roughly the same feel on each brand of wheel.

> I am going to follow up with a post containing the settings
> for each wheel. Just cut and paste into the relevant
> section of the <player>.plr file.

> I can't guarantee they will work for you. Use at your
> own risk.

> Please let me know if these files work better for you!

> --
> Pat Dotson

> I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> The stock FF parameters have IMO the grip level set way
> too high. With my settings, I get a much better feel
> for the overall balance of the car. The settings yeild
> roughly the same feel on each brand of wheel.

> I am going to follow up with a post containing the settings
> for each wheel. Just cut and paste into the relevant
> section of the <player>.plr file.

> I can't guarantee they will work for you. Use at your
> own risk.

> Please let me know if these files work better for you!

> --
> Pat Dotson

by **Stephen Smit** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:06:15

Olav,

Well, what I was hoping for was like GPL's linearity "slider," a kind of a
reversed "L" shape: the steering around TDC (top dead center) is slow, but
as you input more steering, the response speeds up. (This is how it's done
in the real world, BTW, for those of you who don't yet have drivers'
licenses.) I'll give it a try in a couple of positions and see if it starts
to make any sense.

FWIW, engineers use the terms "response" and "gain." Papy's system is
hi-response, hi-gain, which is like a race car. ISI's system is
lo-response, hi-gain, which is more like a passenger car (a BIG American
passenger car), or, for that matter, the Queen Mary.

--Steve

> > Thanks so much, Pat!

> > Do you have any recommendation as to the "steering sensitivity"
(presumably
> > linearity), X-axis sensitivity, and/or steering ratio for these wheels?
> > I've tried everything from 12:1 to 15:1 with a TM/Guillemont FF wheel,
and
> > still can barely hold it on the road in a straight line. I can't be
that
> > bad....

> Like I pointed out in previous posts, the steering sensivity concept
> in F1 2001 is out of this world. Set it to 50 % for full linear
> steering ( V shape). Lower than 50 % means U shape response, and over
> 50 % means a upside down U shape response (I refuse to use the word
> sensivity since it's one of those words that can mean several things and
> has no mathematical value)

> > --Steve Smith

> > > I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> > > is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> > > Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> > > The stock FF parameters have IMO the grip level set way
> > > too high. With my settings, I get a much better feel
> > > for the overall balance of the car. The settings yeild
> > > roughly the same feel on each brand of wheel.

> > > I am going to follow up with a post containing the settings
> > > for each wheel. Just cut and paste into the relevant
> > > section of the <player>.plr file.

> > > I can't guarantee they will work for you. Use at your
> > > own risk.

> > > Please let me know if these files work better for you!

> > > --
> > > Pat Dotson

> --
> Olav K. Malmin
> remove .spam when replying

by **Stephen Smit** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:06:37

Thx, Pat.

> I set steering axis sensitivity to 0%, and everything
> else to 100%. My steering lock runs between 15 and
> 18 degrees, sometimes up to 20.

> --
> Pat Dotson

> > Thanks so much, Pat!

> > Do you have any recommendation as to the "steering sensitivity"
(presumably
> > linearity), X-axis sensitivity, and/or steering ratio for these wheels?
> > I've tried everything from 12:1 to 15:1 with a TM/Guillemont FF wheel,
and
> > still can barely hold it on the road in a straight line. I can't be
that
> > bad....

> > --Steve Smith

> > > I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> > > is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> > > Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> > > The stock FF parameters have IMO the grip level set way
> > > too high. With my settings, I get a much better feel
> > > for the overall balance of the car. The settings yeild
> > > roughly the same feel on each brand of wheel.

> > > I am going to follow up with a post containing the settings
> > > for each wheel. Just cut and paste into the relevant
> > > section of the <player>.plr file.

> > > I can't guarantee they will work for you. Use at your
> > > own risk.

> > > Please let me know if these files work better for you!

> > > --
> > > Pat Dotson

by **Stephen Smit** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:58:04

Agree. Totally.

> Stephen,

> Please let us all know if you come up with good FFB parameters and/or
> in-game linearity, sensitivity, etc. settings. I have the same wheel and
> suffer the same issue. I can tell the potential is there for it to be
> great, but don't have the time to invest right now in endless fiddling
(like
> I did for GPL).

> F1 2001 post-patch is looking pretty good!!

> Marc

> > Thanks so much, Pat!

> > Do you have any recommendation as to the "steering sensitivity"
> (presumably
> > linearity), X-axis sensitivity, and/or steering ratio for these wheels?
> > I've tried everything from 12:1 to 15:1 with a TM/Guillemont FF wheel,
and
> > still can barely hold it on the road in a straight line. I can't be
that
> > bad....

> > --Steve Smith

> > > I have three different ff profiles for F1 2001. Each one
> > > is for a different FF wheel. I've done profiles for the
> > > Logitech, ACT Labs, and Microsoft wheels.

> > > The stock FF parameters have IMO the grip level set way
> > > too high. With my settings, I get a much better feel
> > > for the overall balance of the car. The settings yeild
> > > roughly the same feel on each brand of wheel.

> > > I am going to follow up with a post containing the settings
> > > for each wheel. Just cut and paste into the relevant
> > > section of the <player>.plr file.

> > > I can't guarantee they will work for you. Use at your
> > > own risk.

> > > Please let me know if these files work better for you!

> > > --
> > > Pat Dotson

by **Pat Dotso** » Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:58:07

Unfortunately, Nascar 4 doesn't allow the same type of
modifications to the FF effects that F1 2001 does.

I would like a good explanation of how the FF effects
in N4 relate to steering movement. In F12K, you can
tailor the effects to the characteristics of a
particular wheel. I have a feeling that N4 is more
of a one-size-fits-all approach.

--
Pat Dotson

> Hi Pat,

> thanks for the great setups! using the logitech FF and your setup is way
> better than the default one.
> btw are there any equally good setups for Nascar4?