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RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

David G Fishe

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by David G Fishe » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:36:02

..........which proves things are out of hand.

Download replays here http://www.racesimcentral.net/~davegf/

I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up about
three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the track
in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in
replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room through
T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race
just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and
wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still
rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment. Talking
like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also. John
apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he's slower or
beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar
circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and even though
there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), he ignores
it.

In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day) and
brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to 94
mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are
usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide, and he
then threatens to kick me off the server.

?????

No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Nice and
clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediately took
the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other.

Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before, and
(surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the
past few days.

What a coincidence.

Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black
flags/punishments.

David G Fisher

Steve Whitt

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by Steve Whitt » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:12:55

To start off.  I don't know you personally David.  So my judgement of you is
made on your posts here in ras.
You know Dave.  I was going to ignore all your comments etc.  But you've got
me totally pissed off.  I had enough of your smartass type when I worked in
retail.  But you're worse than the them.  My customers had an excuse, they
were drunk or stoned or both.
you're a troll.  All you want to do is start another *** fight with John.
You couldn't let todays race be, could you.  For *** sake man.  Grow up.
If you don't like John, don't talk to him.  don't race him. just stay right
the hell away from him.  I've only just started racing in rascar.  If this
keeps up, i'll probably leave.  not because of John, but you.  Which is
probably what you're after.  Your agenda at the moment, or so it seems is to
***John off, and cause the demise of rascar.
Christ man, you two had a coming together on the track.  woopee f*****g
chook.  is it going to scar you for life.  Since you were racing on a
PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure.  He could've
booted anyone and not had to give an excuse.  It was HIS server.
Its  just a game.  you know, you went to the shop and paid for it.  Its
designed to give enjoyment. It gives me enjoyment, because I know nothing in
it is real.  Once I turn it off, its all over.  Who gives a shit where we
finish in the races.  So what if we crash.  Is it the end of the world.  Is
someone going to drop a nuke because of it.
Maybe you need, how do the Americans say it.....therapy.  If a game and one
person can cause you to be so childish in your attitude and actions, you
have major problems.  Get your hand off your*** and get grip on life.
Why did you have to bring this up here and not in the Rascar forum?  Simple.
to start a public *** fight.
Grow up.  Its just a game.
I very rarely react like this to someones comments.  For all I know, you
could be one of the nicest people on Earth.  I tried to stay out of this.
But like I said at the start, its really pissing me off.  If I didn't like
Johns attitude or the way he drives, or anyone else that I'm racing near(at
the back of the field)  in rascar, I wouldn't race.  Why put myself in a
position to get worked up and angry for.  Its the way I was brought up.  If
you see a problem, avoid it, don't go full steam ahead into it and make the
problem worse.
Sit back and have a good think about what you're doing, man.  Its not
healthy.

ok.  got that off my chest.  I'll just put my flack jacket on and fire proof
overalls on.  Fire away....

Steve



McWho

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by McWho » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:49:51


Dave, I would say it is time to take a break.  You are our of supporters and
starting to add newbies to the list.  I know, you think I am against you,
but if you will look back, I think you will find that I as well as others
have decided that you are just unable to find fault in your own driving.
Not that this is the case now, I have not and will not look at the replays.
John is running RASCAR now, I and others support him.  Either get in line or
find another group to race with, it is time for this finger pointing shit to
stop.
If John had originally volunteered and then took charge, that is fine with
me.  If he needs to be elected then I will be the first to nominate him for
office.  Any seconds??

Sean

David G Fishe

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by David G Fishe » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:57:04




> > To start off.

> Dave, I would say it is time to take a break.  You are our of supporters
and
> starting to add newbies to the list.  I know, you think I am against you,
> but if you will look back, I think you will find that I as well as others
> have decided that you are just unable to find fault in your own driving.
> Not that this is the case now, I have not and will not look at the
replays.
> John is running RASCAR now, I and others support him.  Either get in line
or
> find another group to race with, it is time for this finger pointing shit
to
> stop.
> If John had originally volunteered and then took charge, that is fine with
> me.  If he needs to be elected then I will be the first to nominate him
for
> office.  Any seconds??

> Sean

I nominate you.

David G Fisher

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David G Fishe

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by David G Fishe » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:55:03

Lol.

So basically you think it's ok for a guy who thinks he's got control of
RASCAR to cause two incidents in practice with me, make rude comments
against me in front of all the other drivers while blaming me for them, and
then threaten to throw me off the server even though they weren't my fault?

I think you might be the one who needs some therapy (take John with you
btw).

David G Fisher


> To start off.  I don't know you personally David.  So my judgement of you
is
> made on your posts here in ras.
> You know Dave.  I was going to ignore all your comments etc.  But you've
got
> me totally pissed off.  I had enough of your smartass type when I worked
in
> retail.  But you're worse than the them.  My customers had an excuse, they
> were drunk or stoned or both.
> you're a troll.  All you want to do is start another *** fight with
John.
> You couldn't let todays race be, could you.  For *** sake man.  Grow up.
> If you don't like John, don't talk to him.  don't race him. just stay
right
> the hell away from him.  I've only just started racing in rascar.  If this
> keeps up, i'll probably leave.  not because of John, but you.  Which is
> probably what you're after.  Your agenda at the moment, or so it seems is
to
>***John off, and cause the demise of rascar.
> Christ man, you two had a coming together on the track.  woopee f*****g
> chook.  is it going to scar you for life.  Since you were racing on a
> PRIVATELY owned server, you were there at the owners leisure.  He could've
> booted anyone and not had to give an excuse.  It was HIS server.
> Its  just a game.  you know, you went to the shop and paid for it.  Its
> designed to give enjoyment. It gives me enjoyment, because I know nothing
in
> it is real.  Once I turn it off, its all over.  Who gives a shit where we
> finish in the races.  So what if we crash.  Is it the end of the world.
Is
> someone going to drop a nuke because of it.
> Maybe you need, how do the Americans say it.....therapy.  If a game and
one
> person can cause you to be so childish in your attitude and actions, you
> have major problems.  Get your hand off your*** and get grip on life.
> Why did you have to bring this up here and not in the Rascar forum?
Simple.
> to start a public *** fight.
> Grow up.  Its just a game.
> I very rarely react like this to someones comments.  For all I know, you
> could be one of the nicest people on Earth.  I tried to stay out of this.
> But like I said at the start, its really pissing me off.  If I didn't like
> Johns attitude or the way he drives, or anyone else that I'm racing
near(at
> the back of the field)  in rascar, I wouldn't race.  Why put myself in a
> position to get worked up and angry for.  Its the way I was brought up.
If
> you see a problem, avoid it, don't go full steam ahead into it and make
the
> problem worse.
> Sit back and have a good think about what you're doing, man.  Its not
> healthy.

> ok.  got that off my chest.  I'll just put my flack jacket on and fire
proof
> overalls on.  Fire away....

> Steve



> > ..........which proves things are out of hand.

> > Download replays here http://www.racesimcentral.net/~davegf/

> > I didn't have a single problem in practice with anyone until I made up
> about
> > three or four seconds on John at one point. He then was all over the
track
> > in front of me (not sure why, makes me wonder though) for a few laps in
> > replay 1, and then when I went to go past him, he gave me no room
through
> > T3/4 and on exit (despite he himself asking if we should cancel the race
> > just a little while earlier due to latency). He ended up hitting me and
> > wiping out. He makes a sarcastic remark afterwards. Sorry John, I still
> > rarely ever cause a yellow, so you can stuff your little comment.
Talking
> > like that during a RASCAR event is not within the "rules" I think also.
> John
> > apparently won't even concede a position during practice when he's
slower
> or
> > beaten through a turn. Everyone else cooperated nicely under similiar
> > circumstances. Not John. He stays in the black right with me and even
> though
> > there's a whole lot of track to his right (look at heli view), he
ignores
> > it.

> > In replay 2, after pitting, he comes out ahead of me again (happy day)
and
> > brakes hard right in front of me, screeching his tires, dropping down to
> 94
> > mph at a point entering T1 (gray line after light) when most cars are
> > usually doing 110 to 115 (check #3 and others in replay). We collide,
and
> he
> > then threatens to kick me off the server.

> > ?????

> > No problems in practice with any other drivers except with John. Nice
and
> > clean. Clean race. 1 incident point for me, which Grubbat immediately
took
> > the blame for when he got loose and some cars rear ended each other.

> > Threatening to kick someone off the server has never happened before,
and
> > (surprise) it just happened to occur to me, and right after the talk the
> > past few days.

> > What a coincidence.

> > Yes, I'm sure things will be just fine with the new rules/black
> > flags/punishments.

> > David G Fisher

J.R.

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by J.R. » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:54:29



I don't race RASCAR and I am unsure of exactly what it is even, to be
honest, but from reading this thread a conclusion or two can be made:

- No, it's not okay, but it doesn't look like something you can fix, either.
If this John person wants to be (insert word of choice here) he has the
right to, it's his server and he can kick anyone out without a reason.
Nobody's saying it's right, but if he does it, it's not against any rules.

- If this is giving you such a hard time perhaps you really should join
another series. Why? If incidents like this can occur, then regardless of
what it might look like to outsiders you obviously deserve better.

- If you do stay within the series, just stay away from that guy on track.
Annoying? Yes. Life-threatening? No.

Just an outside two cents,
J.R.

Tony Rickar

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by Tony Rickar » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:27:44

We just need to virtually smack their heads together and tell them to sort
it out!

Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most...

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Bruce Kennewel

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by Bruce Kennewel » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:52:29


Quite possibly the reason why is available in a book called  "Malignant Self
Love" by Sam Vaknin..

Here's a quote out of the book's abstract.

"The narcissist is an actor enacting a monodrama, yet forced to remain
behind the scenes. The scenes take centre stage, instead. The Narcissist
does not cater at all to his own needs. Contrary to his reputation, the
Narcissist does not "love" himself in any true sense of this loaded word. He
feeds off other people, who hurl back at him an image that he projects to
them. This is their sole function in his world: to reflect, to admire, to
applaud, to detest - in a word, to assure him that he exists. Otherwise,
they have no right to tax his time, energy, or emotions - so he feels. The
Narcissist's ego is weak and lacks clear borders. Many of the ego functions
are projected. The Superego is ***ic and punishing. The Id is
unrestrained. Primary objects in the Narcissist's childhood were badly
idealised and internalised. His object relations are distraught and
destroyed."

Then again, it may have nothing to do with the situation whatsoever.

:)

Bruce.

Tony Rickar

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by Tony Rickar » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:18:57


> > Problem is they both enjoy the argument more than most...

> Quite possibly the reason why is available in a book called  "Malignant
Self
> Love" by Sam Vaknin..

> Here's a quote out of the book's abstract.

> "The narcissist is an actor enacting a monodrama...<snip>

Yeh, same as wot I said... <G>

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Steve Whitt

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by Steve Whitt » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:32:36

I've already spent my time with in therapy.  I used to take myself and life
too seriously.  That was until I had a razor sharp machete on the back of my
neck for 4 minutes during a hold-up.  Yes, I seriously thought I would die.
It changed my life dramatically.  What was it that I learned from that
experience.  I was 34 yrs old, and life is too short to worry myself about
petty unimportant things.
Like I said before, its just a game.  chill out.
To answer your questions.  First, it was Johns server.  He can do as he
likes.  Put it this way.  If you come into my home, you act and behave as I
would like.  If you don't, I ask you to leave or escort you to the door.
Johns server is the same.  I don't have to agree with him, just respect it
was his server.  The same goes when we're on Eldreds server.
Second. John doesn't think he is running Rascar.  He and Eldred are!!

In the words of John Lennon:   Give peace a chance

Steve


John Simmon

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by John Simmon » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:35:21

I've handled this. See the obviously targetted thread. I can't
require anyone to not respond to Dave's  subsequent replies (and I'm
sure it will be tempting to do so), but in the interst of maintaining
a little order here, I would appreciate it if you guys didn't.
ZZ Busc

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by ZZ Busc » Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:01:44

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redTe

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by redTe » Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:04:12



If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic
driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday !
And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife
sitting next to him.

McWho

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by McWho » Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:23:05




> > ..........which proves things are out of hand.

> > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/

> If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic
> driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday !
> And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife
> sitting next to him.

Are you having fun instigating here?  Do you have anything to say other than
trying to keep the bullshit flying??
Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something.

Sean

John Simmon

RASCAR--Almost Got Kicked Out of Practice Today

by John Simmon » Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:27:30







> > > ..........which proves things are out of hand.

> > > Download replays here http://home.comcast.net/~davegf/

> > If Simmons really is a vet then that clearly explains the erratic
> > driving..It looks like a 60 year old going to the local shops on Sunday !
> > And I swear, if you look closely enough, you can see his doddering wife
> > sitting next to him.

> Are you having fun instigating here?  Do you have anything to say other than
> trying to keep the bullshit flying??
> Why don't you go post about sims or hardware or something.

It's been handled, Sean.

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