rec.autos.simulators

After countless posts that have nothing to do with any post he is replying
to, all containing a single word in CAPS... I don't think I will, I haven't
seen a single post that says anything other than CART. There's a hell of a
lot of posts per day in here, and anything to help filter out the ***is a
good thing.   :o)

Heckler

Since the 70's, huh, Pong doesn't count for much here. Though I did play
Asteroids and Backgammon on my TRS80 model 1, loaded them off cassette
tape...moved up to a home built Heathkit 8088 in '82, it actually had (2)
5?" floppy drives and whopping 20mb HD.

Yeah, anything other than follow the leader scares you guys for sure.
Mainstream racing games for 20 years, hmmm the best one has only been out
about 10. GPL even less than that.

That proves it, a console gamer. I see why you would think you have driven
'most mainstream' games.

Recently!?, consoles haven't had an edge on computers for 'sim' racing since
NASCAR Racing 1 came out in the early 90's. You weren't too ***,
playing your console games on a TV with a d-pad that rumbled a little. Try a
sim on a computer with a wheel controller.

But you sold GPL a long time ago I read in another post so we just
have a different taste in racing games/sims I guess..

Yes, well, makes me laugh everytime when I see another CART post from
him :) I was once digging through some readers mail on
www.gamesdomain.com, the topic was about some cart game, and I ROFL'd
my ass off when I saw a CART mail from TRUSRS :))

Andre

                     Larry

It makes trying to play any game online hard work.... and the only time I
can get a decent enough ping to make it worthwhile is when a server is close
to me or it's 4 am and hardly anyone is using the ISP.

Heckler

Have you never played Sprint or Pole Position?

That proves it, a snob. PC sims are not the be all and end all of racing
games. I'm open to all types of racing.. I even bought Nascar 4, tried it
and took it back for something better.

Have done, and I said I was used to an analogue pad so I'm gonna prefer
something that I can pick up and use straight away.... I don't have a
broadband connection, so online *** is hard enough, having a group of
friends round and linking up a PSX for some F1 or Wipeout fun or throwing a
couple of multitaps in and having 8 players at football (The proper game not
the rugby wannabe played in the US), or Hockey is far more fun than sitting
in front of my computer struggling to keep a car on a track with a huge ping
and packet loss.... If I get knocked of the track I can turn around and see
the expression on his face as I insult him.   :o)

As for being ***, you should have seen me party.. I may not be ***
in *** terms.. but I rock in real life.  :oP

Heckler

I'm not sure GPL would have been a great deal of fun to me 3.5 years ago on
a cyrix200mx 16mb with 1mb SVGA graphics, but TOCA on the playstation was
enormous fun, and a better sim than GPL at the time (to me, because of the
PC available to me).

As for GT/GT2 etc, I have both of these on PSX, and I can say that while
you can drive it like an arcade game, in that it will catch your slides to
a certain extent, etc, if you drive it "properly" it behaves properly.  It
only allows the player to continue round the track when, eg, a GPL player
would be picking his teeth out of the armco, but to get the best lap times
in GT2, you had to set the car up just right, and drive it *properly*.  I
used to enter the offline races at www.granturismo.com, and in every case
the best drivers were the ones that used proper car control.  The rest of
us could get round a lap, and beat the AI, by driving it like ridge racer,
but it still behaved like a proper sim up to the point you make a mistake
and the safety net appeared.

Complaining that driving a racing sim on a console requires the use of a
gamepad is like saying I don't like GPL because using a keyboard is no fun
at all. Wheels don't come with consoles, nor do they come with PCs last I
looked.

GT2 also offered "simulation" tyres, which provided an experience which
would be comparable to driving N4 in simulation as opposed to arcade in
that it removed the forgiving high grip tyre model.

In my opinion, GT2 is a sim.  It may not be as good as some other software,
but it's still a sim.

cheers
John

Two reasons:
1) Nascar Heat is not, never was, and never will be, available to buy in
the UK without going through some right messing about with online/mail
order stores. Then paying the equivalent of $50 US imported, or $45 direct
for a game that retails for less than $10 US and it's not a glowing
proposition. Heckler is a brit, so that argument would count for him also I
guess.

2) Nascar 2002, like all other papyrus games, is utterly locked, encrypted
and barred from any kind of modification.  It's only through sheer
determination that the addons for GPL, and lately N4 have surfaced.  Papy
have actively made it difficult to produce modifications for any of their
games, as a matter of policy.
EA, with their F1 2001 software, have a relatively open platform for
modifiers to exploit.

The argument for Heat is a good one, but it's, frankly, rarer than rocking
horse shite in the UK.  Only someone seriously determined to play the mods
would fork out $50 for it to be shipped from the US.

cheers
John

N3, NL, N99, DTR and NHeat all came into my possession this way, as did
a rerelase of ICR2 after I misplaced my CD and needed it for the TPTCC a
couple of years ago, traded DTR for a copy of the STCC game, etc

Just look at Rally Trophy, there's been plenty of guys in here wanting
to get their hands on a legit copy without paying through their nose,
all you have to do is ask :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life"
--Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

   My PC is a Solaris (Unix) computer right now, and will
probably be setup with a Matrox G400 card 'till this weekend.  
So I can't install F1-2001 until I swap in my old V5/5500.  

   I did look in the F1-2001 manual's multi-player section
and didn't see one important option, which I hope is
available.  

   That option is "Collision".  This is an option that makes
online racing with a slow connection doable.  

   Look, I'm not here to say NFS/Porsche is a great sim with
fantastic physics, but it aint ***either.  This is the only
NFS game I own, but NFS/P is supposed to have far nicer
physics than other titles in the series.  

   With NFS/P, cars with slow ping times look jerky to other
drivers, and you don't really know where they are so close
maneuvering, like passing, becomes dangerous.  Turning off
collision is a solution that allows all to have a good time.  

   Each driver sees the track in the smooth presentation
their computer can deliver, and other cars, with slow updates,
are jerky.  But with collision off, just drive through them.  

   This is a major compromise, the person who starts a game
is the "host", and dictates the collision setting.  Once you
get used to it the racing is still great fun, but you can
drive through other cars.  

   How many posts come from Papy NASCAR drivers complaining
about jerks who collide with everyone and***up the fun?  
Turning off collision in NFS/P keeps these jerks from
bothering others.  

   I'd rather race F1 cars, but NFS/P has to be pretty cheap
if it's available at all, in fact EA had a copy for $20.00
(USD), and it had three other driving games in the box.  

   On-line racing is so much fun, if collision off isn't an
option in F1-2001, grab a copy of NFS/P, or borrow a copy
from a friend to test, and get on-line with your slow
conneciton.  

                                                     Larry

   < Snip >

   Perhaps that Ausi V8 sim will be the ticket.  F1-2001 physics
without the F1 on-line limitation.  

   I saw something about that a month or two ago.  Is it an EA
game?  Or is it an F1/2001 mod like the GT mod?  

   I had the impression it would be an EA release.  

   Anybody know a release date?  

                                                           Larry

dude..........get off your soap box. Follow CART for 1 year and you will figure
out that CART is most road and street courses and just a few ovals.

You are thinking of the IRL which is all ovals.

DO NOT get the 2 of them confused.

think you could find that link again? :-D

Double PLONK!

I have a copy of NFS:P and it is a very nice game. But I checked in with the
NFS newsgroup a while back and saw reports of EA shutting down the servers
for good back in Jan, some people were hoping EA would release the code for
the online so they could set-up servers but I don't think they ever did...
They just want people to buy a game they can't even play offline and then
pay again to play.

Heckler