rec.autos.simulators

>Drivers:

>I can see why the***pit view might of not made the 1st version of the
>BURN-OUT Sim.. You have over 20 cars and each require a different
>dash board of very intensive graphics.   Its a night mare of a job and would
>require a team of graphics artist.  With a single chasis game like NASCAR
>or INDYCAR you have but 1 dashboard.  But with BURN-OUT you

>One of the biggest problems with all these sims is the lack of peripheral
>vision. Driving a real race car is nothing at all like the "tunnel-vision"
>view that you get through the "viewport" of your monitor screen. I used to
>own and drive a fuel dragster a number of years ago, so I can answer your
>question that yes, you can definitely see the front wheels and use them to
>"aim" the car. However, you can also see stuff while racing such as your
>opponent's front wheels out of the corner of your eye! This is difficult to
>show on a flat monitor. Maybe the "behind the car" view actually works
>better this way since you can see your opponent while you're racing. Of
>course, my first dragster was a "slingshot" chassis, so I was pretty much
>did have a behind-the-car view!

>--
>Doug Gordon
>(Remove "nospam." from e-mail address)

>>Robert Platts wrote...

>>>What cars have you been driving that you couldn't see the hood.....
snip!!

>>Well that does depend upon your seating-posistion. I've driven a bunch of
>>cars were i couldnt see the end/front of the hood (THATS what he's talkong
>>about Rob - not the part of the hood thats close to the windshield.)

>>If you really want to know some cars you cant see the front of the hood in
>>try this...

>>Fiat Strada Abarth, Toyota HiAce, VW Transporter, Morris Mini, VW Beetle,
>>Citroen CX TRI, Opel Combo, Pontiac Figero, Ford Escort, Volvo S40, etc,
>>etc, etc.....

>>Like they say " its depends upon your point of view" !!

>>Anyway... I truly belive that had Burnout had a In-car view... seeing the
>>front/egde of the car wouldnt be such a big problem.... look at a
>top-fueler
>>etc... The driver is seated miles behind the front wheels - thus getting a
>>very lean line of vision to the front tires, whilch inturn should make him
>>see them...

>>I willing to bet that most drag-racers in top--fuel etc. do infact see the
>>front tires when they drive. Ofcourse i could be wrong... never sat in
one.
>>Anyway knowing both yourown and the cars limits is all part of racing.
Hell
>>look at N2... you dont see the cars "edges" from the***bit!! And NO! -
>>using external view is not at all the same as driving from "within" the
>>cockbit!!

>>Edwin Solheim, Norway
>>ed_ on NROS

>>The Paddock: http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>>Cheek Junior Team: http://www.racesimcentral.net/~solhmrek

>>Right Don, too bad it got left out, think of the fun you'd have sitting
>>in the***pit in your TF or FC in "NHRA Drag Racing" :)!

>Hmmmm, bashing the competition is the one thing guaranteed to reflect
>badly upon your own product. As a drag-racing fan I'd have thought you
>would be happy that more products are now on the market - competition
>is good for the consumer.

> >Right Don, too bad it got left out, think of the fun you'd have sitting
> >in the***pit in your TF or FC in "NHRA Drag Racing" :)!

> Hmmmm, bashing the competition is the one thing guaranteed to reflect
> badly upon your own product. As a drag-racing fan I'd have thought you
> would be happy that more products are now on the market - competition
> is good for the consumer.

> > Hey Doug I agree on the lack of peripheral vision. We should all soon have 3
> > monitors on our desks.  Wouldnt that be cool. I remember an Atari Arcade
> > game many years ago and that was the big appeal for me was the use of 3
> > screens that would wrap around you and give you a very realistic feeling.
> > BTW Someone got rich off all the Quarters I dumped in that game.

>    I have been thinking that we could have, say, an outside 1/8th on
> either side of the screen that sort of wrapped around like one of those
> bubble rear vision mirrors. This would be a good alternative to head
> panning I think which seems to just disorient me completely. The mirrors
> in ICR2 do a decent job but is small and only shows the cars and not the
> rest of the track, etc. [snip]

> Well I for one am glad Trev appears to be a real guy. i.e. no BS and
> says what is on his mind. He could be here as a private citizen, and
> not Mr. TSW.

> Hey Doug I agree on the lack of peripheral vision. We should all soon have 3
> monitors on our desks.  Wouldnt that be cool. I remember an Atari Arcade
> game many years ago and that was the big appeal for me was the use of 3
> screens that would wrap around you and give you a very realistic feeling.
> BTW Someone got rich off all the Quarters I dumped in that game.

> >I can see why the***pit view might of not made the 1st version of the
> >BURN-OUT Sim.. You have over 20 cars and each require a different
> >dash board of very intensive graphics.   Its a night mare of a job and
would
> >require a team of graphics artist.

> Hark - is that violins I hear?

> Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but surely Bethesda decide how many cars to
> put in the game and how many different***pits they would need? One
>***pit per "class" of car would be enough, or even randomise the
> gauge positions within each class to creat a "unique"***pit for each
> car. This is hardly rocket science.

> Frankly I doubt very much if that is the reason, or if it is then I
> must say my opinion of Bethesda's planning versus their impression of
> what a real sim should contain has dropped several notches. It's clear
> that making a sim involves compromises, that goes without saying, but
> the position of the driver's eyes doesn't number among them.

> Cheers!
> John

>Well I for one am glad Trev appears to be a real guy. i.e. no BS and
>says what is on his mind. He could be here as a private citizen, and
>not Mr. TSW.

>On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:47:06 -0600, "Greg Cisko"

>>Well I for one am glad Trev appears to be a real guy. i.e. no BS and
>>says what is on his mind. He could be here as a private citizen, and
>>not Mr. TSW.

>It wasn't Mr TSW I had in mind, it was Mr "New NHRA sim co-developer".