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by **Larr** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 05:21:08

Well, at least that's good news :)

But are you sure?

Larry

> Quicken 2003 does not contain any copy protection.

> -Tim

> > BTW... In case you didn't know, from what I hear Quicken 2003 contains
the
> > same Activation-based copy protection but I have not been able to verify
> > this.

> > I will not be upgrading beyond Quicken 2002 for this very reason.

> > Larry

by **Eldre** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:39:38

>I have _read_ that Quicken 2003 also has Product Activation but since 2002
>is working just fine for me I have no desire to upgrade and haven't seen
>2003 personally.

Actually, the only reason I switched to Quicken in the first place was that I
started getting errors in MoneyCounts, and there wasn't ANY support available
for it.

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:39:39

>Pardon my french, but HORSE-SHIT!

>I have a perfectly legal copy of Windows XP Home and the stupid activation
>process has triggered on me FIVE times so far, always at the worse possible
>time.

>Three of the five times not ONE SINGLE PIECE of hardware was changed. It
>occured after simple driver updates.

Where's Chris H. when ya need him? :-)

That's one of the things that really bugs me. If your system just happens to
flake out(for whatever reason), you can't access your data until you get tech
support to fix it?!? That's a BIG reason I don't want anything to do with XP
on any of MY systems.

Breathe, Larry - breathe... :-)

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by **Positive** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 08:56:46

Sorry, I beg to differ.

I've never had this trigger on a simple driver update, on my new system or
old one.
For example, I recently upgraded my HOME PC.

Everything was swapped out except I used the same IBM DarkStar HD. EVERY
other piece of Hardware in my system changed. Case, Mainboard, CPU, RAM,
Vidcard, floppy, NIC, everything.

No problems reactivating on the reinstall. NONE. Final reboot, click on
activation, bingo. TOO EASY.
Three weeks later, I ghosted the HD over to a new Maxtor one, same thing,
new HD detected, NO activiation even came up.

Your one bad experence is not the complete picture.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:18:26

>Your one bad experence is not the complete picture.

It is for him...
And, he's had it happen FIVE times, not one. He was responding to someone who
inferred that the activation procedure was no big deal. So, his criticism was
valid.

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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:40:29

Just for the record, I did NOT pay Larry to say that stuff.
Although I agree 100%.
dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:43:49

Several years ago, when Intuit was still a smalltime company, they put
out the tax program before the next year's tax code was finalized. You had
to update or your taxes would be totally screwed. Trouble was....on many
systems, their updater program crashed before the patches could be
installed. It was a nightmare just getting the program to run.
dave henrie

by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:43:22

Dang Larry, you must be jinxed :).

I installed XP Home in Dec of 01. During my time with XP Home, I constantly
updated hardware drivers when new releases came out, I changed out the
motherboard, processor, sound card, video card, and added a second hard
drive. All of these changes were done at seperate times, not together. WPA
prompted me to re-activate 1 time during all this, and it was done in
seconds over the internet.
Upgraded to XP Pro about 5 weeks ago, which of course I had to activate,
again in seconds over the internet. I have since put another new motherboard
in, with no WPA prompts.

Not arguing with you, I believe it is a pain in the ***for a lot of honest
XP users, just saying at least for me it has not caused any problems.

Don Burnette

> Pardon my french, but HORSE-SHIT!

> I have a perfectly legal copy of Windows XP Home and the stupid
> activation process has triggered on me FIVE times so far, always at
> the worse possible time.

> Three of the five times not ONE SINGLE PIECE of hardware was changed.
> It occured after simple driver updates.

> And none of the times would it re-activate over the Internet. I had
> to call the 1-800 number and plead my case with the clerk on the
> other end of the phone. It was a total waste of my time.

> I have had friends get locked out of Office XP for no apparant reason
> (which has been documented in news stories) while on travel, and were
> unable to complete their work in time to meet deadlines.

> No one has a snowball's chance in hell of changing my mind about this
> subject. Product activation treats good customers as guilty
> criminals from the start, invades on your time, reduces or
> complicates your upgrade process, and is a general all-around pain in
> the ass.

> I done now.

> Larry

>> XP's product activation is not difficult, extremely easy (couple of
>> mouse clicks online big deal) and they actually have people on the
>> phone that you can talk to to fix things.

>>> "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote...
>>>> <snip>
>>>> I wish everybody would take Dave's advice and done
>>>> the same about Windows XP... tell Billy to stick it
>>>> up his rear and stop their invasion on user privacy.
>>>> The world (or taker culture, for that matter ;-)
>>>> would probably be a better place.

>>> Hey, I'm not big on privacy and even I haven't upgraded yet! <g>

>>> Jan.
>>> =---

by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 03:28:18

Rough day :) I've witnessed an excessive share of Silly-User-Tricks today
and I'm tense :)

Larry

> Breathe, Larry - breathe... :-)

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by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 03:28:55

By all means, differ. That doesn't change what I have seen :)

Larry

by **Larr** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 03:30:42

Don,

I'm glad you haven't had any problems. I'd hate to think that _most_ people
have had to deal with the nonsense I've had to deal with :)

And,of course, I reserve the right to not like the idea of the whole thing
:)

Larry

> Dang Larry, you must be jinxed :).

> I installed XP Home in Dec of 01. During my time with XP Home, I
constantly
> updated hardware drivers when new releases came out, I changed out the
> motherboard, processor, sound card, video card, and added a second hard
> drive. All of these changes were done at seperate times, not together. WPA
> prompted me to re-activate 1 time during all this, and it was done in
> seconds over the internet.
> Upgraded to XP Pro about 5 weeks ago, which of course I had to activate,
> again in seconds over the internet. I have since put another new
motherboard
> in, with no WPA prompts.

> Not arguing with you, I believe it is a pain in the ***for a lot of
honest
> XP users, just saying at least for me it has not caused any problems.

> Don Burnette

> > Pardon my french, but HORSE-SHIT!

> > I have a perfectly legal copy of Windows XP Home and the stupid
> > activation process has triggered on me FIVE times so far, always at
> > the worse possible time.

> > Three of the five times not ONE SINGLE PIECE of hardware was changed.
> > It occured after simple driver updates.

> > And none of the times would it re-activate over the Internet. I had
> > to call the 1-800 number and plead my case with the clerk on the
> > other end of the phone. It was a total waste of my time.

> > I have had friends get locked out of Office XP for no apparant reason
> > (which has been documented in news stories) while on travel, and were
> > unable to complete their work in time to meet deadlines.

> > No one has a snowball's chance in hell of changing my mind about this
> > subject. Product activation treats good customers as guilty
> > criminals from the start, invades on your time, reduces or
> > complicates your upgrade process, and is a general all-around pain in
> > the ass.

> > I done now.

> > Larry

> >> XP's product activation is not difficult, extremely easy (couple of
> >> mouse clicks online big deal) and they actually have people on the
> >> phone that you can talk to to fix things.

> >>> "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote...
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>> I wish everybody would take Dave's advice and done
> >>>> the same about Windows XP... tell Billy to stick it
> >>>> up his rear and stop their invasion on user privacy.
> >>>> The world (or taker culture, for that matter ;-)
> >>>> would probably be a better place.

> >>> Hey, I'm not big on privacy and even I haven't upgraded yet! <g>

> >>> Jan.
> >>> =---

by **Positive** » Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:29:36

My point was that I believe that the whole entire XP user communtiy, which
is what I meant by "it's not the complete picture" has had minimal technical
problems with activation. You tend to hear from the vocal minority in these
cases. Now politically it's a hot issue. Technically though, IMO for XP
at least, it works.

Oh and he was responding to my post. I believe that I have experience with
a much larger "pool" of devices then one PC. That's why I felt like
responding.

There was no inferrence that it's "no big deal". It isn't a big deal,
technically for the majority of people. The fact is, in my case (pardon the
pun) and hundreds of others installs that I've personally been a part of,
we've had "no big deal" with the activation. I've had hundreds of
customers using software that I support on XP (custom VPN software, not a
pleasent thing to install on home users). I've had issues with that
software installing on some hardware (crappy NIC drivers), but none of these
new users have told me the XP activation was an issue (BTW, its 100's of
employees buying NEW home clones on a company purchase plan).

For his one unit it certainly sounds like he's had issues.

> >Your one bad experence is not the complete picture.

> It is for him...
> And, he's had it happen FIVE times, not one. He was responding to someone
who
> inferred that the activation procedure was no big deal. So, his criticism
was
> valid.

> Eldred

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