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> It's causing no end of problems for people, especially since those that
have
> already bought it had no warning.

> One person I read about bought it, had to replace the computer two weeks
> later due to a failure in the old one, and now it won't run because it's
> calling him a thief saying he already uses it on another computer!  As far
> as I know he has gotten no satisfaction from Intuit, and he ended up
buying
> another copy.

> Not to mention people are asking what will happen when years down the
road,
> when they have most likely changed computers, they have to re-install this
> years version to submit an updated tax return or something and the damned
> thing won't run because it thinks they are cheating.

> It's an awful mess, and Intuit is trying politicaly to wiggle themselves
out
> of it with lip-service, but no one is buying.

> And get this.  When you remove TurboTax, the Macrovision Activation based
> Copy-Protection is NOT removed.

> BTW... In case you didn't know, from what I hear Quicken 2003 contains the
> same Activation-based copy protection but I have not been able to verify
> this.

> I will not be upgrading beyond Quicken 2002 for this very reason.

> Larry

> > I will be sending Intuit a fairly scathing letter about
> > > their practices and next year I'll be using some other product.
> > > dave henrie

> > What are they doing now thats makin everyone mad?

> >It seems that some really pissed off computer users who do their taxes on
> >their computers are voting with their wallets, and telling Intuit exactly
> >where they can stick their troublesome, intrusive "Product Activation"
copy
> >protection.

> Did they change something with ALL their software, or just tax stuff?  I
run
> Quicken 2001 Deluxe.  Although I don't have any reason to change at the
> moment(software runs great), I'd be concerned if I needed to upgrade...

> Eldred
> --
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> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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> > This is way OT, but I found it very interesting...
>  snip
> > I went to CompUSA today for the dreaded yearly purchase of Tax software,
> and
> > I saw something that really caught my eye.
>  snip
> > It seems that some really pissed off computer users who do their taxes
on
> > their computers are voting with their wallets, and telling Intuit
exactly
> > where they can stick their troublesome, intrusive "Product Activation"
> copy
> > protection.

> Same here in Canada with Intuit's Quicktax for Canadian taxes (also CanTax
> is a Intuit product as well with activation). I happened to read the
*inner*
> flap of the box where they tell you about Product Activation (its not on
the
> outside where you can read it before you buy) before I clicked the "I
> accept"  in the product agreement. Returned it for a refund which is
> difficult in Canada for an opened box.

> If software houses are going towards using product activation schemes then
> they need to get their act together and provide "one stop shopping". They
> should all use the same criteria as Windows XP and I shpould be able to
get
> clearance for use with one toll free phone call. It would save them money
> and save me having to hassle with amatuer help.

> Since all the offline tax software in Canada is controlled by Intuit I'm
> going the online route this year with Ufile at http://www.ufile.ca/. It
will
> convert the previous years Quicktax personal data too. Just
> have to remember to do it before the big end of April rush.

> David

> > "Uwe hoover Schuerkamp" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > > I wish everybody would take Dave's advice and done
> > > the same about Windows XP... tell Billy to stick it
> > > up his rear and stop their invasion on user privacy.
> > > The world (or taker culture, for that matter ;-)
> > > would probably be a better place.

> > Hey, I'm not big on privacy and even I haven't upgraded yet! <g>

> > Jan.
> > =---

> > They have instituted an online product activation system that makes the
one
> > in Windows XP look tame by comparision.

> > It's causing no end of problems for people, especially since those that
have
> > already bought it had no warning.

> > One person I read about bought it, had to replace the computer two weeks
> > later due to a failure in the old one, and now it won't run because it's
> > calling him a thief saying he already uses it on another computer!  As
far
> > as I know he has gotten no satisfaction from Intuit, and he ended up
buying
> > another copy.

> > Not to mention people are asking what will happen when years down the
road,
> > when they have most likely changed computers, they have to re-install
this
> > years version to submit an updated tax return or something and the
damned
> > thing won't run because it thinks they are cheating.

> > It's an awful mess, and Intuit is trying politicaly to wiggle themselves
out
> > of it with lip-service, but no one is buying.

> > And get this.  When you remove TurboTax, the Macrovision Activation
based
> > Copy-Protection is NOT removed.

> > BTW... In case you didn't know, from what I hear Quicken 2003 contains
the
> > same Activation-based copy protection but I have not been able to verify
> > this.

> > I will not be upgrading beyond Quicken 2002 for this very reason.

> > Larry

> > > I will be sending Intuit a fairly scathing letter about
> > > > their practices and next year I'll be using some other product.
> > > > dave henrie

> > > What are they doing now thats makin everyone mad?

> Can you elaborate a bit on the Macrovision based copy protection that's
left on
> your system even after Turbotax is removed?  What are the possible
problems that
> it could cause on a PC?  Possible CD-reading problems (similar to what
some
> users experienced with N4), or something else?

> Just trying to get the complete picture on this.

> Thanks!
> Bert

> > They have instituted an online product activation system that makes the
one
> > in Windows XP look tame by comparision.

> > It's causing no end of problems for people, especially since those that
have
> > already bought it had no warning.

> > One person I read about bought it, had to replace the computer two weeks
> > later due to a failure in the old one, and now it won't run because it's
> > calling him a thief saying he already uses it on another computer!  As
far
> > as I know he has gotten no satisfaction from Intuit, and he ended up
buying
> > another copy.

> > Not to mention people are asking what will happen when years down the
road,
> > when they have most likely changed computers, they have to re-install
this
> > years version to submit an updated tax return or something and the
damned
> > thing won't run because it thinks they are cheating.

> > It's an awful mess, and Intuit is trying politicaly to wiggle themselves
out
> > of it with lip-service, but no one is buying.

> > And get this.  When you remove TurboTax, the Macrovision Activation
based
> > Copy-Protection is NOT removed.

> > BTW... In case you didn't know, from what I hear Quicken 2003 contains
the
> > same Activation-based copy protection but I have not been able to verify
> > this.

> > I will not be upgrading beyond Quicken 2002 for this very reason.

> > Larry

> > > I will be sending Intuit a fairly scathing letter about
> > > > their practices and next year I'll be using some other product.
> > > > dave henrie

> > > What are they doing now thats makin everyone mad?

> >It seems that some really pissed off computer users who do their taxes on
> >their computers are voting with their wallets, and telling Intuit exactly
> >where they can stick their troublesome, intrusive "Product Activation"
copy
> >protection.

> Did they change something with ALL their software, or just tax stuff?  I
run
> Quicken 2001 Deluxe.  Although I don't have any reason to change at the
> moment(software runs great), I'd be concerned if I needed to upgrade...

> Eldred
> --
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> GPLRank:-0.381
> N2002 Rank:+17.59

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> I'm a Manager at a $92 million asset credit union and it's extremely cost
> prohibitive for us to pay for their licensing which means any of our
members
> who will upgrade to 2004 when it is released will no longer be able to
> import the QIF format we offer.   If you have thousands of online banking
> users paying fees, then you may be able to justify the cost - but for a
> financial institution our size, it's just not possible.  They already took
> the QFX format away from us last year with an outrageous licensing fee so
we
> are down to OFC (MS Money),  OFX, QIF for Quicken 99 and later,  QIF for
> Quicken 98 and earlier, and CSV (Comma separated variables).

> It's all about the licensing $$$$.     =)

> --
> Scott B. Husted
> PA-Scott
> ICQ# 4395450
> http://www.Husted.cc

> > They have instituted an online product activation system that makes the
> one
> > in Windows XP look tame by comparision.

> > It's causing no end of problems for people, especially since those that
> have
> > already bought it had no warning.

> > One person I read about bought it, had to replace the computer two weeks
> > later due to a failure in the old one, and now it won't run because it's
> > calling him a thief saying he already uses it on another computer!  As
far
> > as I know he has gotten no satisfaction from Intuit, and he ended up
> buying
> > another copy.

> > Not to mention people are asking what will happen when years down the
> road,
> > when they have most likely changed computers, they have to re-install
this
> > years version to submit an updated tax return or something and the
damned
> > thing won't run because it thinks they are cheating.

> > It's an awful mess, and Intuit is trying politicaly to wiggle themselves
> out
> > of it with lip-service, but no one is buying.

> > And get this.  When you remove TurboTax, the Macrovision Activation
based
> > Copy-Protection is NOT removed.

> > BTW... In case you didn't know, from what I hear Quicken 2003 contains
the
> > same Activation-based copy protection but I have not been able to verify
> > this.

> > I will not be upgrading beyond Quicken 2002 for this very reason.

> > Larry

> > > I will be sending Intuit a fairly scathing letter about
> > > > their practices and next year I'll be using some other product.
> > > > dave henrie

> > > What are they doing now thats makin everyone mad?