rec.autos.simulators

> Hmm it's from the movie yes, lol.  The FIA didn't even exist back then.

> /petern

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:41:32 -0700, "John Pancoast"

> >http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/     Click on the "Historie" link on the
> >left.

> >> great clip. are there any others? I can't find the home page. thank
you.
> >> GPLlover.


> >> >   I know this one's been seen before, but does anyone know the
details
> >of
> >> > Stewart's BRM here ?  What year, engine, etc. ?  Find it interesting
> >that
> >> > he's able to go all out on turns that that's impossible at in GPL.

> >> >   Obviously, other factors come into play that may allow that in real
> >life
> >> > for him, that don't in the game, but some details from the clip would
> >> help.

> >> > http://www.circuit-zandvoort.nl/historie/formula1/zandvoort-1.jpg

> >  The rear tires look skinny as hell, so I was thinking it wasn't even
'67
> >too.

> Most of the cars in Grand Prix were Formula 2's.  It was filmed in 1966,
so
> even if it were a Formula 1 car it may have been a 2 litre V8, the H-16
showed
> up sometime mid-season.  The weight of the camera was said to***up the
cars
> substantially, so he wouldn't have been pressing very hard.

> Don McCorkle

> Hmm it's from the movie yes, lol.  The FIA didn't even exist back then.

>-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that the
> car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the
> chassis.

> Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight
> acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the
speeds
> the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to the
> real speeds.

> For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras
> (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema).  All the sound you
hear
> in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms.

> Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post.  They took a
bunch
> of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 & earlier
> models) to Riverside.  Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around
whilst
> rigged with Nagras.

> The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by Jim
> Russell.  The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland.

> The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1
> season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP" footage
> came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the
> footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up.
> Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front
porch"
> mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous).  The most famous shot was at Spa
in
> the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the field
> down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off at
> Malmedy.

> --Steve Smith

> > >   Really ?  His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand
> > moving,
> > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point.  Thing is
though,
> > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in
those
> > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in GPL.

> > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that
the
> > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs. the
> > chassis.

> > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight
> > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the
> speeds
> > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to
the
> > real speeds.

> > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their cameras
> > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema).  All the sound you
> hear
> > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic booms.

> > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy.

> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> John

> > I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
> > Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.

> > The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post.  They took a
> bunch
> > of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 &
earlier
> > models) to Riverside.  Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around
> whilst
> > rigged with Nagras.

> > The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by Jim
> > Russell.  The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland.

> > The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1
> > season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP" footage
> > came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the
> > footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up.
> > Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front
> porch"
> > mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous).  The most famous shot was at Spa
> in
> > the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the field
> > down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off
at
> > Malmedy.

> > --Steve Smith

> > > >   Really ?  His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his hand
> > > moving,
> > > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point.  Thing is
> though,
> > > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in
> those
> > > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in
GPL.

> > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression that
> the
> > > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs.
the
> > > chassis.

> > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight
> > > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that the
> > speeds
> > > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer to
> the
> > > real speeds.

> > > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their
cameras
> > > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema).  All the sound you
> > hear
> > > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic
booms.

> > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy.

> > > --
> > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> I was told somebody taped an audio commentary of him for the DVD.  I
always
> liked his commentary tracks on his other DVD's.  He's always well-spoken
and
> trully talks about his movies (instead of other boring audio commentaries
> babbling about "Oh it was so great working with XYZ actor").

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> >   Great info. Steve thanks !  Can't remember, and I don't have your book
> > handy<g>, what engine were the BRM's running in '66 ?

> > John

> > > I was going to do a book abt. the making of "Grand Prix" before
> > > Frankenheimer died, and got as far as the first interview.

> > > The sound (or at least the engine sounds) were all post.  They took a
> > bunch
> > > of F1 cars (1 '66 BRM, I think, and a couple of clapped-out '65 &
> earlier
> > > models) to Riverside.  Phil Hill and Bob Bondurant drove them around
> > whilst
> > > rigged with Nagras.

> > > The "picture" cars were all Formula 3s with faux F1 bodies built by
Jim
> > > Russell.  The cars still exist today somewhere in Ireland.

> > > The in-car race footage was almost all obtained during the real '66 F1
> > > season (at least for Monaco, Zandvoort, and Spa; the "French GP"
footage
> > > came from the only staged race, at Clermont-Ferrand, where most of the
> > > footage was filmed around the pits) and was rarely speeded up.
> > > Frankenheimer had a Ford GT-40 with the bodywork removed for a "front
> > porch"
> > > mount (the 70mm cameras were enormous).  The most famous shot was at
Spa
> > in
> > > the rain. Phil Hill started at the back of the grid and chased the
field
> > > down thru Burnenville, where you can see one of the BRMs that went off
> at
> > > Malmedy.

> > > --Steve Smith

> > > > >   Really ?  His hand is moving at each shift, but even with his
hand
> > > > moving,
> > > > > could still be a different soundtrack, see your point.  Thing is
> > though,
> > > > > the "nose cam" view still doesn't show any deceleration at all in
> > those
> > > > > turns(and he's hauling, no question of that), that require it in
> GPL.

> > > > Well racing with a "fixed" view in GPL also gives the impression
that
> > the
> > > > car isn't decelerating, since there's no movement of the camera vs.
> the
> > > > chassis.

> > > > Anyway, in the movie Grand Prix it's obvious that there's a slight
> > > > acceleration of the racing footage (perhaps, 5% not more) so that
the
> > > speeds
> > > > the cars were going during shooting are accelerated and more closer
to
> > the
> > > > real speeds.

> > > > For the sound, Hollywood studios don't have microphones on their
> cameras
> > > > (they do sometimes, but rarely in "modern" cinema).  All the sound
you
> > > hear
> > > > in the movie was done in post-production, or was recorded by mic
> booms.

> > > > Just watch the Monza race at the end, it's pretty cheesy.

> > > > --
> > > > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > > > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>  Thanks Steve.........but I was looking for info. on '66  :)  Were the
>H16's being used by BRM then too ?