rec.autos.simulators

> > Fiddle w. traction control.  Can't remember if it's authentically
> > implemented for all years (it came & went to varying deg. in the RW).
> > Modern F1 cars can't be dirt-tracked like World of Outlaws.  They're
> > basically point & squirt.  That is, don't bother trying to carry speed
into
> > the corners.  Just go in smoothly, get the car pointed straight, and hit
the
> > afterburner.

> LOL.  Traction control!  Heresy!   :-)  No, I don't try to GPL-slide
> the corners; the tire slip curves are way faster than I am, and in no
> time I'm in the kitty litter!

> But your approach is what seems to make my lap times the best (I'm
> running with minimum TC at least until I learn the track), so I will
> accept that it's a consequence of (accurate) F1 car physics.  I was
> watching qualifying at the Nurburgring tonight, and I never saw so much
> tiptoeing as when it started raining.  It's much easier to see the
> driving lines when they make trails on the track.  For sure they were
> driving the way you describe.

> I drove the sim for another hour nonstop tonight, and the sensation of
> something spooky and amost "real" (dare I say that?) just won't go
> away.  When the mods start rolling out, this will be spectacular!

> As I say, sometimes F1 (and CART, for that matter) allows TC, and sometimes
> not, so I think its not unconscionable to deploy it in a simulation.  I
> mean, it's not like you have any seat-of-the-pants (proprioceptor) feedback
> when yer sitting in front of a 2D computer screen, so I don't feel guilty
> when I use a little help in a computer game.

> Old trick: use a lot of wing for qualifying, so yer glued to the track.  Use
> very little wing in the race so you can overtake on the straights (then
> tip-toe around the turns whilst blocking your frustrated opponents), or at
> least avoid being overtaken.

> --Fernando Alonzo

> > Greg,

> > As I say, sometimes F1 (and CART, for that matter) allows TC, and
sometimes
> > not, so I think its not unconscionable to deploy it in a simulation.  I
> > mean, it's not like you have any seat-of-the-pants (proprioceptor)
feedback
> > when yer sitting in front of a 2D computer screen, so I don't feel
guilty
> > when I use a little help in a computer game.

> > Old trick: use a lot of wing for qualifying, so yer glued to the track.
Use
> > very little wing in the race so you can overtake on the straights (then
> > tip-toe around the turns whilst blocking your frustrated opponents), or
at
> > least avoid being overtaken.

> > --Fernando Alonzo

> Hehe.  Yeah, I crank up the volume on tire squeal for just that reason.
> It's supposed to be fun, and what fun is it when the car just snaps
> around without any warning?  Sometimes in GPL and F1-2002 I can tell
> when the front is starting to skid from the FFB.  I sort of use TC to
> tell me that I'm at the limit of grip,and tire squeal to tell me that
> I'm cornering as fast as I can.  :-)

> That only works when it *just* starts to rain, because the driving line
> changes as the track gets wetter.