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How to make GPL really difficult!

Ketil J?rsta

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Ketil J?rsta » Sat, 27 May 2000 04:00:00

aaaaaaahhhh, there it is

now my time at Monza is under 3 minutes :-)
-=Ketil=-


Matthew V. Jessic

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Matthew V. Jessic » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00

With automated airplanes (well, small ones ;),
after you get all the stuff hooked up, you hang it from the ceiling
and rotate it, hoping that all the moving parts respond in the
correct directions. Seriously.

- Matt



> > The other day I accidentally set up my wheel incorrectly - throttle, brakes
> > and gears were OK but the steering was reversed i.e. right-hand lock
> > produced left turn! Now that makes things *really* difficult - I wonder
> > whether it is possible to complete a lap with this setup?

Goy Larse

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> I hear you, but...

> Consider that on a normal road, as opposed to the track, you'll have a lot of
> ***(bottles, mufflers, glass, oil, water) collecting at the lowest point on
> the road, ie the apex.  Ditto for where drivers usually aren't (right on the
> lane dividers).  And, of course, lane dividers tend to be slicker.   Also, by
> keeping yourself more centered, you have more breathing room from unexpected
> events such as mom/pop drifting over, a squirrel or deer bolting from the side
> of the road, etc.  Motorcyclists try to give themselves this extra breathing
> room.  Watch how they drive.  So, IMHO, if you are using all the road, even
> just your lane, you are probably risking your tires, and yourself more than if
> you didn't.

> Basically, I expect that you are an alert driver if you are driving as you
> say, which is probably the biggest factor,  a huge plus.  But, OTOH, the real
> world just isn't designed for driving a car as if racing, or for using every
> bit of even just your lane.  Not that this bit of advice is followed by its
> author at all times :-)

If you want to split hairs :-).......

What is the safer driving, me bored to death and half asleep dead center
in my lane (yes, I think I can do that even fully asleep after 18 years
:-) or totally awake and alert using all of my lane ?

And no, there's no way I could stay totally awake and alert driving
normally, that is so incredibly boring I can't even find proper words to
describe how I feel :-)

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Olav K. Malm

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Olav K. Malm » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> If you want to split hairs :-).......

> What is the safer driving, me bored to death and half asleep dead center
> in my lane (yes, I think I can do that even fully asleep after 18 years
> :-) or totally awake and alert using all of my lane ?

> And no, there's no way I could stay totally awake and alert driving
> normally, that is so incredibly boring I can't even find proper words to
> describe how I feel :-)

You're dead right. I've done my share of driving long stints between
Trondheim, Oslo and Stavanger (6-8 hours), and it is always safer to
focus on how you drive, and not just put the car on the road. Doing
racelines is one of many tricks. It is also a faster way to drive withing the
speed-limit. It has happend many times that I have been overtaken by
mindless speeders on the straight, only to close the gap in the twisty
parts of the road by just using that extra 50 cm's of road. And in
Norway there are a lot of places where maintaining the speed limit are
completely impossible.

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Goy Larse

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> You're dead right. I've done my share of driving long stints between
> Trondheim, Oslo and Stavanger (6-8 hours), and it is always safer to
> focus on how you drive, and not just put the car on the road. Doing
> racelines is one of many tricks. It is also a faster way to drive withing the
> speed-limit. It has happend many times that I have been overtaken by
> mindless speeders on the straight, only to close the gap in the twisty
> parts of the road by just using that extra 50 cm's of road. And in
> Norway there are a lot of places where maintaining the speed limit are
> completely impossible.

Here here, we should form some kind of organization to further our POV,
maybe we could get some governmental backing or something :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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Olav K. Malm

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Olav K. Malm » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00



> > You're dead right. I've done my share of driving long stints between
> > Trondheim, Oslo and Stavanger (6-8 hours), and it is always safer to
> > focus on how you drive, and not just put the car on the road. Doing
> > racelines is one of many tricks. It is also a faster way to drive withing the
> > speed-limit. It has happend many times that I have been overtaken by
> > mindless speeders on the straight, only to close the gap in the twisty
> > parts of the road by just using that extra 50 cm's of road. And in
> > Norway there are a lot of places where maintaining the speed limit are
> > completely impossible.

> Here here, we should form some kind of organization to further our POV,
> maybe we could get some governmental backing or something :-)

Hehe, that would have been something. Have to ask the traffic
behaviour expert here at work (I work with traffic and transportation
research, www.sintef.no/units/civil/transp) about this.

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Goy Larse

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Goy Larse » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> Hehe, that would have been something. Have to ask the traffic
> behaviour expert here at work (I work with traffic and transportation
> research, www.sintef.no/units/civil/transp) about this.

:-)))

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Trevor Pavit

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Trevor Pavit » Sun, 28 May 2000 04:00:00


> The mind is amazingly adaptable, you could easily learn to drive like
> this. As a matter of fact that is how you steer a motorcycle, turn
> the bars left to go right.

I accept what you say about the mind (or is it the brain?) being adaptable
but I don't think I turn the bars left to go right on a motorcycle. Actually
I am never aware of turning them at all - I just *lean*.
Now on a c***boat, which normally has a tiller not a wheel, you certainly
do push to the left to go right. Interestingly many women find this
counter-intuitive - not that I wish to open that particular can of worms :o)

Cheers,
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Nb Lady Elgar - Grand Union C***UK

Don Scurlo

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Don Scurlo » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00



It's called "counter steering", and I guarantee your doing it. Go to one of the
motorcycle newsgroups and ask "what's all this counter steering bullshit" and
see what happens ;)

You just did. Better duck.

--
Don Scurlock
Vancouver,B.C.

Michael Youn

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Michael Youn » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

Trail-brake almost all the time, and wheel spin limit coming out. The
problem is the slow guy in front of you that can't/won't hold a proper line,
blowing your exit speed all to hell.

The real question is how many of you transition from threshold braking to
trail braking on the streets. There are few opportunities for that around
here, and that's just as well. (Threshold braking on the street is just
plain dumb. I'm far from conservative, but consider that to border on
homicidal.)

Michael.


Yeah, but how often do you trailbrake with your car when you're driving to
work? ;))

Francois Dubu

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Francois Dubu » Mon, 29 May 2000 04:00:00

Trev,

Try turning your monitor upside down.

Frank

On Fri, 26 May 2000 11:23:46 +0100, "Trevor Pavitt"


>The other day I accidentally set up my wheel incorrectly - throttle, brakes
>and gears were OK but the steering was reversed i.e. right-hand lock
>produced left turn! Now that makes things *really* difficult - I wonder
>whether it is possible to complete a lap with this setup?
>By the bye, when I was in the army there was reputed to be a training
>vehicle rigged this way - sounds unlikely but then a lot of things that
>happened in the army *sounded* unlikely :o)

>Cheers,

Francois Dubuc,

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Olav K. Malm

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Olav K. Malm » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00



> > You're dead right. I've done my share of driving long stints between
> > Trondheim, Oslo and Stavanger (6-8 hours), and it is always safer to
> > focus on how you drive, and not just put the car on the road. Doing
> > racelines is one of many tricks. It is also a faster way to drive withing the
> > speed-limit. It has happend many times that I have been overtaken by
> > mindless speeders on the straight, only to close the gap in the twisty
> > parts of the road by just using that extra 50 cm's of road. And in
> > Norway there are a lot of places where maintaining the speed limit are
> > completely impossible.

> Here here, we should form some kind of organization to further our POV,
> maybe we could get some governmental backing or something :-)

Well, I just talked to a traffic behaviour psychologist (sp?) about
this, and he said he also drove ideal lines on the road, and it was a
very good idea to drive active to prevent getting tired. He also said
that the driving schools also teach ideal line driving on the
countryside roads. But of course, watch out in the left turn for
oncoming traffic in the middle of the road.

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Goy Larse

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Goy Larse » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00


> Well, I just talked to a traffic behaviour psychologist (sp?) about
> this, and he said he also drove ideal lines on the road, and it was a
> very good idea to drive active to prevent getting tired. He also said
> that the driving schools also teach ideal line driving on the
> countryside roads. But of course, watch out in the left turn for
> oncoming traffic in the middle of the road.

So, basically, we were right then ? :-)

Beers and cheers
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Olav K. Malm

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Olav K. Malm » Tue, 30 May 2000 04:00:00



> > Well, I just talked to a traffic behaviour psychologist (sp?) about
> > this, and he said he also drove ideal lines on the road, and it was a
> > very good idea to drive active to prevent getting tired. He also said
> > that the driving schools also teach ideal line driving on the
> > countryside roads. But of course, watch out in the left turn for
> > oncoming traffic in the middle of the road.

> So, basically, we were right then ? :-)

Yeah, both right and incredibly smart :)

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Goy Larse

How to make GPL really difficult!

by Goy Larse » Wed, 31 May 2000 04:00:00




> > > Well, I just talked to a traffic behaviour psychologist (sp?) about
> > > this, and he said he also drove ideal lines on the road, and it was a
> > > very good idea to drive active to prevent getting tired. He also said
> > > that the driving schools also teach ideal line driving on the
> > > countryside roads. But of course, watch out in the left turn for
> > > oncoming traffic in the middle of the road.

> > So, basically, we were right then ? :-)

> Yeah, both right and incredibly smart :)

I knew that :-)

Beers and cheers
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