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by **Brian Heilan** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:16:25

I wrote a letter to Cart, expressing my dissappointment with the rain
performance at portland, and asked them if they have reduced so much down
force in the cars that they no longer can race in the rain?
Maybe they need to reduce speeds by putting so much down force in the cars
that the can't get up to speed with the current engine package. At the very
least the cars would once again stick to the track.

With reduced down force we now have the ability of the cars to go extreemly
fast down the straights with no downforce to stop the cars properly at the
end of the straights in the wet, and very little or no down force to keep
the cars on the medium to slow speed turns when wet.

I'll be at Cleveland in a few days, and I sure hope it is dry, otherwise I
might be watching a parade led by the pace car.

> Hi,

> Say my first Wet Cart race in a looooong time. I posted a stupid
> question some time ago about CART racing in the rain and got a few
> (justified) riled folks irritated by my questions about wet racing on
> ovals...

> anyway, anybody want to comment on the mayhem yesterday at Portland?
> The first 30 laps were chaos. I couldn't believe how hard it was for
> those guys to keep the car under control. Shows you how F1 has
> watered down things with all the driver aids :(

> I never liked Paul Tracy that much and last night I was disappointed
> in his pit stop antics. I know its raining and that the grip in the
> pits was lousy, but *everybody* had to exercise a little bit more
> caution. Poor Bruno Junqueira.

> I watched the coverage on ESPN and the race ended midnight local time
> for me. I don't know if there was any other interviews / stuff after
> the race as I would like to hear more of the driver's comments.

> Enjoyed Fittipaldi's performance, though. Also, does Castroneves have
> the record for most pitstops in one race? Any other views on the
> race?

> Regards

by **John Pavlice** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 02:26:24

Warm tires is only an advantage really that first or two out lap out. And
in Malaysia, they had a full course caution, and still the problems that
persisted in the CART race did not exist past that initial run when all
the teams were caught with the wrong tyres. True driver aids are traction and launch control, ABS, and fully-auto gearboxes. As for
that chicane causign *** accidents, F1 has their fair share of bad
accidents due to chicanes. Monza last year was a prime example of that.

And I don't mind the semi-auto gearbox, I think it's a wonderful advance
to racing. The one problem in F1 I see is with the brakes, I think they
need less efficient brakes. They way they are now, it's too difficult to
out-brake another guy. With inefficient brakes it's far more possible,
look at Robby Gordon in the NASCAR race to see that.

-Pav

> Some advantages for F1 are warm tires and their hands are on the wheel at
> all times.
> Not to mention yellows themselves...they bunch everyone up in those
> conditions and cool the tires down. Since everyone in CART is more
> competitive (closer laptimes) than in F1 some stupid passing attempts will
> happen resulting in accidents...oh yeah and that chicane causes ***
> incidents in the dry...think about the wet.

> Jon

> > What driver aids did F1 have in Malaysia? All they had was the semi-auto
> > gearbox. Traction control and launch control weren't back at that time.
> > Malaysia had a lot of spins, but the track was in far worse condition then
> > at Portland.

> > -Pav

> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, it was written:

> > > Hi,

> > > Say my first Wet Cart race in a looooong time. I posted a stupid
> > > question some time ago about CART racing in the rain and got a few
> > > (justified) riled folks irritated by my questions about wet racing on
> > > ovals...

> > > anyway, anybody want to comment on the mayhem yesterday at Portland?
> > > The first 30 laps were chaos. I couldn't believe how hard it was for
> > > those guys to keep the car under control. Shows you how F1 has
> > > watered down things with all the driver aids :(

> > > I never liked Paul Tracy that much and last night I was disappointed
> > > in his pit stop antics. I know its raining and that the grip in the
> > > pits was lousy, but *everybody* had to exercise a little bit more
> > > caution. Poor Bruno Junqueira.

> > > I watched the coverage on ESPN and the race ended midnight local time
> > > for me. I don't know if there was any other interviews / stuff after
> > > the race as I would like to hear more of the driver's comments.

> > > Enjoyed Fittipaldi's performance, though. Also, does Castroneves have
> > > the record for most pitstops in one race? Any other views on the
> > > race?

> > > Regards

by **Jon Van Ginneke** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:48:50

My point exactly...a caution helps cool those tires down (I would presume
that it would be especially true in the wet).

Well thanks to Bernie going with the worst option for most F1 fans in
America I can't see any F1 this year...Bravo Bernie Bravo! That's the way
to increase interest in your company.
Malaysia is a MUCH wider track than most, which allows for an easier time in
the wet...as well as a much better surface (actually that can go for any F1
track as opposed to CART). Other than Monaco I can't think of an F1 track
which uses Concrete (which is a much denser surface...which is *** in the
wet since the water and oil has nowehere to go).

Agreed there...you hardly see CART and NASCAR guys locking up wheels unless
they are trying a really stupid move...but I see (ok saw) it all the time in
F1.

Jon

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:08:50

My feelings are the best CART races were almost 10 years ago when they had
high downforce and almost as much power as now. The Andretti's and Unser jr
battles with Emmo and Tracey were very good. Rarely did you see a track
that had processions or one preferred line. now with the reduced downforce
and high hp....the drivers face many of the same problems that have faced
the F1 series for the past few years. I'm hoping that Cart and F1 and the
rest of the series can find some compromise between better
racing/safety/&competiveness.
dave henrie

(snip)

by **Rafe McAulif** » Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:59:55

Problem is that Goodyear is no more, and Firestone hava a monopoly.
Which means little development, especially wet tyres. Those tyres
didn't look anything like an F1 wet, look to have a LOT less grip than
F1 tyres. I'm sure that doesn't help when you add in heavier cars,
turbo lag, etc.

There aren't that many opportunities for running in the wet in CART
either, since 50% of the time they are on ovals, which will get
cancelled or delayed if it's wet.

Rafe Mc

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