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Wheel lock in NASCAR.

Crankst

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Crankst » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
on wheel lock over several times, and testing several settings, I
still can't seem to figure out just what wheel lock does.  My guess is
that it affects how quickly a car turns, all other things being equal.
Hopefully someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.

Bill.


pens..

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by pens.. » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00


(Crankster) writes:

>Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
>on wheel lock over several times, and testing several settings, I
>still can't seem to figure out just what wheel lock does.  My guess is
>that it affects how quickly a car turns, all other things being equal.
>Hopefully someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.

>Bill.



Wheel lock is how far left and right your front wheels can turn.
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Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by mdonn.. » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00



> (Crankster) writes:

> >Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
> Wheel lock is how far left and right your front wheels can turn.

What it affects is the sensitivity of the car to the steering device you
use.  By using less wheel lock the car is more sensitive to your
steering input in a turn (you'll turn more for an equal amount of
input).  The danger in using to little lock is that you can easily
oversteer the car and overcorrect (not to metion turning around after a
crash will take longer).  The danger in using too much lock is the loss
of precision during a turn.

Mike

benjamin jacob hors

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by benjamin jacob hors » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00

: Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
: on wheel lock over several times, and testing several settings, I
: still can't seem to figure out just what wheel lock does.  My guess is
: that it affects how quickly a car turns, all other things being equal.
: Hopefully someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.

Wheel lock controls how far the front wheels turn (in degrees) from one
lock on the steering box to the other.  With a smaller amount of wheel
lock, you will have to turn the wheel farther to get a desired response
(or in my case hold down the directional key, as I'm too broke to afford
a steering wheel package), while with more lock, the same response will
come much sooner as you turn the wheel.  As you play around with
different settings, be careful not too adjust too far, or you'll find
yourself staring at either the wall on the outside or the grass on the
inside.

George Lew

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by George Lew » Sun, 10 Sep 1995 04:00:00


>Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
>on wheel lock over several times, and testing several settings, I
>still can't seem to figure out just what wheel lock does.  My guess is
>that it affects how quickly a car turns, all other things being equal.
>Hopefully someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong.

Wheel lock limits the amount of movement in the steering arm.  In
effect, if you use real low wheel lock numbers, you will need to put
more turn into your wheel to get it to do something.  On the other
hand, if it's too high of a setting, just the slightest movement may
send you into the wall.  

I picked up my lap speeds at Talladega by lowering my wheel lock,
because I was *smoother* thru the turns, thus losing less rpms and
pure speed.   Hope that helped some.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure I'll be flamed :)


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Crankst

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Crankst » Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:00:00




>> (Crankster) writes:

>> >Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual
>> Wheel lock is how far left and right your front wheels can turn.
>What it affects is the sensitivity of the car to the steering device you
>use.  By using less wheel lock the car is more sensitive to your
>steering input in a turn (you'll turn more for an equal amount of
>input).  The danger in using to little lock is that you can easily
>oversteer the car and overcorrect (not to metion turning around after a
>crash will take longer).  The danger in using too much lock is the loss
>of precision during a turn.
>Mike

Thanks Mike, but shouldn't that be "...using MORE wheel lock the car
is more sensitive to your steering input"?  All I know when I increase
wheel lock from 10% to 15%, the red cone graphic gets larger, implying
to me that I can turn more with the same input.

The manual really doesn't do much of a job explaining some of these
elements to car setups.  I guess Papyrus assumed I would be a real
NASCAR junkie.

Thanks again for your help (and everyone else's).

Bill.


mdonn..

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by mdonn.. » Wed, 13 Sep 1995 04:00:00




> >> (Crankster) writes:

> >> >Just what exactly is wheel lock?  After reading the page in the manual

> >> Wheel lock is how far left and right your front wheels can turn.

> >What it affects is the sensitivity of the car to the steering device you
> >use.  By using less wheel lock the car is more sensitive to your
> >steering input in a turn (you'll turn more for an equal amount of
> >input).  The danger in using to little lock is that you can easily
> >oversteer the car and overcorrect (not to metion turning around after a
> >crash will take longer).  The danger in using too much lock is the loss
> >of precision during a turn.

> >Mike

> Thanks Mike, but shouldn't that be "...using MORE wheel lock the car
> is more sensitive to your steering input"?  All I know when I increase
> wheel lock from 10% to 15%, the red cone graphic gets larger, implying
> to me that I can turn more with the same input.

No, actually it is more responsive to your commands with *less* lock.  If
the throw of your joystick is considered a -10 to +10 band with 0 as
center and you hiccup to -3 with a low steering lock the car will attempt
to join with the inner wall.  Very bad.  With more lock and the same
hiccup, the wheels barely start to turn.  In short, less lock yields high
sensitivity while more lock yields smoothness (as long as you don't go
too far).  Once you find an acceptable amount of lock, don't bother
changing it.  It doesn't really do much for the performance of the car
provided it isn't wildly out of position.

No, but they figured (probably correctly) that you would become one!  I
know that's how it worked for me!

You are most welcome.

Mike

Andy Gart

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Andy Gart » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00


>No, actually it is more responsive to your commands with *less* lock.  If
>the throw of your joystick is considered a -10 to +10 band with 0 as
>center and you hiccup to -3 with a low steering lock the car will attempt
>to join with the inner wall.  Very bad.  With more lock and the same
>hiccup, the wheels barely start to turn.  In short, less lock yields high
>sensitivity while more lock yields smoothness (as long as you don't go
>too far).  Once you find an acceptable amount of lock, don't bother
>changing it.  It doesn't really do much for the performance of the car
>provided it isn't wildly out of position.

This really doesn't sound right to me.  I run with less lock (5
degrees) on fast ovals like Talladega as I don't need to turn so much
and this makes my cornering smoother.  At somewhere like Bristol I run
with more lock (18 degrees) as I need to turn more for the sharper
turns...

Or am I just being stupid and imagining things?!?

Andy

Ralf Grisa

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Ralf Grisa » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00



>>No, actually it is more responsive to your commands with *less* lock.  
If
>>the throw of your joystick is considered a -10 to +10 band with 0 as
>>center and you hiccup to -3 with a low steering lock the car will
attempt
>>to join with the inner wall.  Very bad.  With more lock and the same
>>hiccup, the wheels barely start to turn.  In short, less lock yields
high
>>sensitivity while more lock yields smoothness (as long as you don't go
>>too far).  Once you find an acceptable amount of lock, don't bother
>>changing it.  It doesn't really do much for the performance of the car
>>provided it isn't wildly out of position.

>This really doesn't sound right to me.  I run with less lock (5
>degrees) on fast ovals like Talladega as I don't need to turn so much
>and this makes my cornering smoother.  At somewhere like Bristol I run
>with more lock (18 degrees) as I need to turn more for the sharper
>turns...

>Or am I just being stupid and imagining things?!?

>Andy

Well, if you're imagining things, at least we're imagining the same
things :-)  I use 10 degrees of wheel lock at faster tracks like Atlanta,
Talladega, etc., and I'm convinced that it's much easier to control my
car smoothly that way than with more lock (like 15 degrees).

On the other hand, I'm having problems being competitive with the
computer opponents at 100% speed (I ruled at 95%), but I doubt wheel lock
has much to do with that.

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Mike Lask

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Mike Lask » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Think of it this way: the steering lock value represents the extent of
wheel deflection for a given amount of control input.  The larger the
value, the greater the wheel deflection.

Mike.

Eric T. Busc

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Eric T. Busc » Thu, 14 Sep 1995 04:00:00

The degree of wheel lock determines the angle of wheel
deflection from one extent to the other on the steering wheel.
Thus a wheel lock of 10 degrees will in effect turn each wheel
5 degrees to both sides of straight (left and right) when the
steering wheel is at its respective left/right extremes.  Thus
more physical input on the wheel is required to achieve the
same response than when the wheel lock is 30 degrees.  In this
case, you would have 15 degrees of movement in both
directions, needing only 1/3 of the steering wheel movement to
achieve the same 5 degree turning of the front wheels.  

Thus:

high wheel lock = sensitive steering response
low wheel lock = less sensitive

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Crankst

Wheel lock in NASCAR.

by Crankst » Fri, 15 Sep 1995 04:00:00



>>No, actually it is more responsive to your commands with *less* lock.  If
>>the throw of your joystick is considered a -10 to +10 band with 0 as
>>center and you hiccup to -3 with a low steering lock the car will attempt
>>to join with the inner wall.  Very bad.  With more lock and the same
>>hiccup, the wheels barely start to turn.  In short, less lock yields high
>>sensitivity while more lock yields smoothness (as long as you don't go
>>too far).  Once you find an acceptable amount of lock, don't bother
>>changing it.  It doesn't really do much for the performance of the car
>>provided it isn't wildly out of position.
>This really doesn't sound right to me.  I run with less lock (5
>degrees) on fast ovals like Talladega as I don't need to turn so much
>and this makes my cornering smoother.  At somewhere like Bristol I run
>with more lock (18 degrees) as I need to turn more for the sharper
>turns...
>Or am I just being stupid and imagining things?!?
>Andy

Andy, this is my understanding as well.  At least, the red cone that
adjusts with your input seems to suggest that the steering arc is
wider the higher the wheel lock setting.

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