rec.autos.simulators

by **Larr** » Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:31:10

Will the TPTCC Cars be useable ?

I rather like the job Jurjen did on converting mine, and don't want to lose
it.

-Larry

>> > > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week.

>> > > bluestringer

>> > Oops yeah - forgot you weren't on TS (why is that btw?)
>> > We decided so because the turnout for the truck races is
>> > disappointingly low and we hope to get some more drivers for the
>> > roadcourses.

>> > cheers jurjen

>> So what is this GTP, is it a mod for N2003?

>> bluestringer

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> The cars are supposed to be lighter, faster, have more downforce, and
> handle
> better than the TPTCC cars. Should be a lot of fun. :-) Ginger has been
> beta
> testing the mod for awhile now.
> --
> David G Fisher

by **Larr** » Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:39:08

Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :)

After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the
week.

I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in efforts
to fix it.

I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's just
made it worse.

In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system. One
for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff has made
my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I always like to
keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the scanners and other
peripheral drivers in the way of *** performance.

However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I decided
to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never really like
how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3 separate XP
installs/boot.

It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :)

As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. In-game
_seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that new
Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places
you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after a
fresh reload of the system with 4.12's !

I give up. On the *** boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard
Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed.

The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards in
reliability.

-Larry

by **Uwe Schürkam** » Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:47:41

> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right. In-game
> _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that new
> Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places
> you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after a
> fresh reload of the system with 4.12's !

Hmm, is this control center really necessary? I upgraded to a used
9800PRO last week (had a geforce ti4800SE before), and it's running
just fine without the control center stuff. Or am I missing something?
All the options I could want are available from within
desktop->properties->advanced (cat 4.12, xp pro SP2)

cheers,

uwe

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by **David G Fishe** » Wed, 22 Dec 2004 22:01:09

Yes. Since turnout is low for these truck races, it looks like we are going
to run Texas and then get the GTP races going a week early (assuming the mod
is released on schedule).

--
David G Fisher

> Texas is NYD ? Are we skipping IRP ?

> Won't break my heart if we are :)

> -Larry

> >> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver.
> >> (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that)

> >> We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of
> >> at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts
> >> ratings.

> >> Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day.
> >> We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following
> >> week with GTP, if it is released of course.

> >> Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the
> >> first 3 already ... )

> >> cheers jurjen

> > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week.

> > bluestringer

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:20:31

Are you getting a CLI error Larry?

> Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :)

> After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the
> week.

> I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in
> efforts to fix it.

> I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's
> just made it worse.

> In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system. One
> for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff has
> made my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I always
> like to keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the scanners and
> other peripheral drivers in the way of *** performance.

> However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I
> decided to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never
> really like how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3
> separate XP installs/boot.

> It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :)

> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right.
> In-game _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get
> that new Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3
> different places you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up.
> This is after a fresh reload of the system with 4.12's !

> I give up. On the *** boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard
> Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed.

> The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards
> in reliability.

> -Larry

>> Congratulations to Cory and Neil.

>> Track: Nashville Speedway
>> Date: 12/18/04

>> Session: Practice

>> P # DRIVER TIME
>> 1 11 DaveGF 19.928
>> 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930
>> 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952
>> 4 6 Neil__C 19.998
>> 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074
>> 6 42 bluestringer 20.117

>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>> Session: Qualifying

>> P # DRIVER TIME
>> 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892
>> 2 6 Neil__C 19.941
>> 3 11 DaveGF 19.955
>> 4 33 Coorzman 20.227
>> 5 42 bluestringer 20.374
>> 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607
>> 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij --

>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>> Session: Happy Hour

>> P # DRIVER TIME

>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>> Session: Race
>> OFFICIAL STANDINGS

>> F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS
>> 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running
>> 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running
>> 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running
>> 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running
>> 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running
>> 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running
>> 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco

>> Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps)
>> Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers)
>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph
>> Pitstop Frequency: 1x

>> PENALTIES
>> LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY

by **Jan Verschuere** » Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:52:22

Thanks guys, progress so far...

Scrutineering report: pass. Steering column is adequately repaired.

Medical report: fail. Driver is up and about, but still fails to negotiate
his way out of a paper bag more often than usual. :-)

Jan.
=---

by **Larr** » Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:36:16

Sounds good to me!

-Larry

> Yes. Since turnout is low for these truck races, it looks like we are
> going
> to run Texas and then get the GTP races going a week early (assuming the
> mod
> is released on schedule).

> --
> David G Fisher

>> Texas is NYD ? Are we skipping IRP ?

>> Won't break my heart if we are :)

>> -Larry

>> >> Too bad you couldn;t get in - we sure can use the extra driver.
>> >> (fast_T couldnt get in either -> Larry's gonna sort that)

>> >> We don't have any restrictions but I think you must have an LPI of
>> >> at least 1. AFAIK there's no difference between cup and cts
>> >> ratings.

>> >> Hope you get thinks sorted out so you can join us on newyears day.
>> >> We agreed yesterday we'd run Texas then and start the following
>> >> week with GTP, if it is released of course.

>> >> Dave will announce the tracks :) (Dave, maybe you can name the
>> >> first 3 already ... )

>> >> cheers jurjen

>> > I thought we run IRP on New Years, then Texas the following week.

>> > bluestringer

by **Larr** » Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:36:00

Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control
panel of each driver so far.

I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel
version would cease at some point. I sure hope not.

I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses me
to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :)

Gotta love today's 'tight' programming!

-Larry

>> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right.
>> In-game
>> _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get that
>> new
>> Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3 different places
>> you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come up. This is after
>> a
>> fresh reload of the system with 4.12's !

> Hmm, is this control center really necessary? I upgraded to a used
> 9800PRO last week (had a geforce ti4800SE before), and it's running
> just fine without the control center stuff. Or am I missing something?
> All the options I could want are available from within
> desktop->properties->advanced (cat 4.12, xp pro SP2)

> cheers,

> uwe

> --
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by **Larr** » Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:42:15

I don't recall what it was. I do know it was Video related because one time
when I got to the desktop there was a request to send a report to ATI.

After the system rebuild, I ran about 2 hours online last night. So far so
good!

That's after I got rid of the 4.12's and put the 4.10's with the control
panel back on. I don't know if the 4.12's would have been ok because I was
never able to get the damned Catalyst Control Center to come up! The cursor
would spin for about 4 seconds, then go back to normal with no launch.

Since my problems started with the 4.11's, I decided to just go back to
4.10's with the control panel (on my racing boot), and be done with it. It
works fine, and I'm not touching it again.

Just for giggles I also replaced the stock Antec 380w supply that came with
the Sonata case with a Neo 480 (one hell of a Power Supply). Probably
didn't need it, but with an Athlon 3500, Radeon 9800 Pro, two Sony DRU-710A
DVD Burners and two Seagare 160GB Sata Drives, as well as a Gig of RAM, I
thought I might be pushing it with a 380 watt supply.

I really dig the 120mm Fan design in this case (and the new Neo 480 uses a
120mm fan as well). It's damned near silent while pushing a ton of air at
the same time. There are 3 120mm fans including the one in the supply.

-Larry

> Are you getting a CLI error Larry?

>> Rats, I was inflicted with DGF syndrome this week :)

>> After the game crashing out on me 3 times, it was time to give up for the
>> week.

>> I just spend the last 14 hours rebuilding my system from scratch in
>> efforts to fix it.

>> I NEVER had these issues until the 4.11 Catalysts came out. The 4.12's
>> just made it worse.

>> In the past, I've always run three separate WinXP boots on my system.
>> One for Home Use, one for Racing, and one for Work. All the VPN stuff
>> has made my Work boot someone complex in the comms department, so I
>> always like to keep it a separate boot. Plus I didn't want all the
>> scanners and other peripheral drivers in the way of *** performance.

>> However, when I built this Athlon64 3500 system a few months ago, I
>> decided to try a single boot with 3 separate profiles instead. I never
>> really like how that worked out, so this time I want back to the 3
>> separate XP installs/boot.

>> It's a shitload of work to get done, but it's done :)

>> As for the Catalysts, I STILL cannot get the 4.12's to work right.
>> In-game _seems_ to have settled down, but for the life of me I cannot get
>> that new Catalyst Control Center to work right. There are like 3
>> different places you can launch it, but the damned thing will NOT come
>> up. This is after a fresh reload of the system with 4.12's !

>> I give up. On the *** boot I went back to 4.10's with the Standard
>> Control Panel. I have my fingers crossed.

>> The Catalyst 4.11's and 4.12's, for me, have been a major step backwards
>> in reliability.

>> -Larry

>>> Congratulations to Cory and Neil.

>>> Track: Nashville Speedway
>>> Date: 12/18/04

>>> Session: Practice

>>> P # DRIVER TIME
>>> 1 11 DaveGF 19.928
>>> 2 7 Dick-Trickle 19.930
>>> 3 103 JurjenvanderLelij 19.952
>>> 4 6 Neil__C 19.998
>>> 5 98 LTB-Racer 20.074
>>> 6 42 bluestringer 20.117

>>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>>> Session: Qualifying

>>> P # DRIVER TIME
>>> 1 7 Dick-Trickle 19.892
>>> 2 6 Neil__C 19.941
>>> 3 11 DaveGF 19.955
>>> 4 33 Coorzman 20.227
>>> 5 42 bluestringer 20.374
>>> 6 98 LTB-Racer 20.607
>>> 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij --

>>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>>> Session: Happy Hour

>>> P # DRIVER TIME

>>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph

>>> Session: Race
>>> OFFICIAL STANDINGS

>>> F S # DRIVER INTERVAL LAPS LED POINTS STATUS
>>> 1 4 33 Coorzman 84.581 200 148* 185 Running
>>> 2 2 6 Neil__C -0.22 200 38 175 Running
>>> 3 3 11 DaveGF -1.39 200 0 165 Running
>>> 4 1 7 Dick-Trickle -2.92 200 13 165 Running
>>> 5 7 103 JurjenvanderLelij -7.44 200 0 155 Running
>>> 6 5 42 bluestringer -5L 195 1 155 Running
>>> 7 6 98 LTB-Racer -165L 35 0 146 Disco

>>> Caution Flags: 5 (25 laps)
>>> Lead Changes: 6 (4 drivers)
>>> Weather: Clear, 70 F, Southwest 0 mph
>>> Pitstop Frequency: 1x

>>> PENALTIES
>>> LAP # INFRACTION PENALTY

by **Uwe Schürkam** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:21:54

> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control
> panel of each driver so far.

> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel
> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not.

> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses me
> to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :)

> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming!

;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right,
such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous.

Cheers & happy holidays,

uwe

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by **Mitch_** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 02:21:40

>> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control
>> panel of each driver so far.

>> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel
>> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not.

>> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses
>> me to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :)

>> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming!

> ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right,
> such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous.

> Cheers & happy holidays,

> uwe

Its such a non-isssue. I dont understand this complaint over and over
Larry.

.Net is nothing more than an evolution of VB and C++. Didnt you at some
point have to install runtimes for VB? If it comes with Windows then its
OK but if you have to add it its not?

You can always go back to DOS cant you? I mean really all your complaining
about is forward progress.

Larry, how you ever got past a Black and White Zentith TV is beyond me and
that you work in this industry your tude is even more surprising :)

This industry is still in its infancy and I expect and want many changes
before I kick.

Mitch

by **Larr** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:06:02

Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP shipped.

As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to
suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the .Net
runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are coming
from.

-Larry

>> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control
>> panel of each driver so far.

>> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel
>> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not.

>> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses
>> me
>> to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :)

>> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming!

> ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right,
> such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous.

> Cheers & happy holidays,

> uwe

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by **Larr** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:07:23

As I've said over and over Mitch, but you fail to hear, I am hardly against
change.

I AM against change for the sake of change, and when that change provides no
tangible benifit.

-Larry

>>> Not at this time. You can dowload either the Control Center or Control
>>> panel of each driver so far.

>>> I was under the impression that the availability of the Control Panel
>>> version would cease at some point. I sure hope not.

>>> I'm starting to hate .Net. Not to mention the fact that it still amuses
>>> me to see some 500k utilities require a 22MB .net runtime to run :)

>>> Gotta love today's 'tight' programming!

>> ;-) Apparently it's "integrated" in XP, but of course you're right,
>> such a mega-download for a graphics driver is ridiculous.

>> Cheers & happy holidays,

>> uwe

> Its such a non-isssue. I dont understand this complaint over and over
> Larry.

> .Net is nothing more than an evolution of VB and C++. Didnt you at some
> point have to install runtimes for VB? If it comes with Windows then its
> OK but if you have to add it its not?

> You can always go back to DOS cant you? I mean really all your
> complaining
> about is forward progress.

> Larry, how you ever got past a Black and White Zentith TV is beyond me and
> that you work in this industry your tude is even more surprising :)

> This industry is still in its infancy and I expect and want many changes
> before I kick.

> Mitch

by **Mitc** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:18:02

> Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP shipped.

> As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to
> suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the .Net
> runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are coming
> from.

> -Larry

Are you sure you have the .Net 1.1 fix Larry? I dont think it comes
down on the windows update and the ATI CC is funky without it.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f58...

Mitch

by **Larr** » Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:44:34

I _thought_ I did. I'll check it out.

My Work and General boots still have the 4.12's with Control Center so I
have a way to check.

Windows Update does bring down a security update. I thought this was the
latest. Maybe not!

Thanks!

-Larry

>> Actually, .Net is still an add-on for XP. It was released after XP
>> shipped.

>> As for the problems with the Catalyst Control Center, I'm beginning to
>> suspect it has been broken by a recent 'security fix' released for the
>> .Net runtime. Can't prove it, but I think that's where the issues are
>> coming from.

>> -Larry

> Are you sure you have the .Net 1.1 fix Larry? I dont think it comes
> down on the windows update and the ATI CC is funky without it.

> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=262d25e3-f58...

> Mitch

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