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Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

Andrew MacPhers

Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

by Andrew MacPhers » Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:34:00



> but it sounds like you have an 8xAGP capable
> board so it should be ok.

Remember the x8/x4/x2 thing is only really useful when transferring large
amounts of data to & from the vid card. Under normal conditions (as I
understand it) much of the data a vid card needs all the time (textures
etc) will be loaded to the card's memory at the start of a drive, with
relatively small amounts being churned back & forth on a frame by frame
basis.

I'm sure it makes *some* difference in real world use, but I've never seen
any benchmarks comparing various AGP speeds. One would imagine you'd see
these a lot if it was so important.

Andrew McP

Eldre

Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

by Eldre » Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:19:45



>> Wow - I just checked, and I didn't even have that *installed*...

>No, it's not installed by default. I helpfully forgot to mention that :-)

>Andrew McP

I tried running N2k3 while running monitor logging.  Many times it was pegged
at 100%.  Just lovely.  Last night I had times where processor usage was over
60% even though nothing was running.  Task manager only showed explorer and
systray.  Using EndItAll, I saw about 7 things running.  What *needs* to be
running?  Many of the processes were 'locked'...

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Andrew MacPhers

Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

by Andrew MacPhers » Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:45:00



> Using EndItAll, I saw about 7 things running

I haven't used Enditall for ages, but I seem to remember only needing two
or three things running by the time it had cleared out all the
really unnecessary stuff. I think I used a google search to try and
identify all the processes and whether they might be redundant before I
got aggressive with Enditall.

If the average while doing "nothing" is more than about five percent (no
mouse movement, no nothing) then something is definitely wrong in my
experience... unless you're running a climate modelling "screensaver" or
something similar in the background like me.

Andrew McP

Eldre

Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

by Eldre » Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:16:08

I let it close everything it could, and it ended up with about 4 things
running.  No effect on processor use, though.

This thing is just haunted, or something.  I must have pissed off someone in a
previous life.
No viruses, no spyware, nothing else running - it still only runs at about 50%
of the performance everyone *says* I should have.  Fresh install of windows had
no effect either.
I guess I'm just screwed until I can get another system, and I don't know when
I'll be able to justify the expense.

Eldred
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Sting3

Upgrade? : Best use of $200?

by Sting3 » Wed, 28 Apr 2004 06:58:19

One more thing to ponder RudeBoy...  My soundcard was one hell of a bottle
neck for GFX not that long ago.  I accidently upgraded the souncard (onboard
sis chipset, not sure of the sound card ATM, something AC97 Audio Codec)
but when I got done, the frames were in half in NR2003.  luckily (I had
another problem with a diskdrive) and had to format and start over and
things went great next time?

I also noticed something JUST this weekend...  I got DSL, and because the
computer which used to be in a pretty remote location, I used to always shut
it off whenever I was not on it, but now that I got moved into my "home
office" next to the living room, I been leaving it on 24 hrs.  Last night I
noticed my frames seemed to be slower...  (there is a neat app that shows
*ALL* tasks even ones that taskmon doesnt show, called Process Explorer at
http://www.racesimcentral.net/)   Anywho, that frames were crap, usually above
45 at the worst ever all gfx on, but last night it was dipping into 30's.  I
didn't see anything new IMHO, so I shut down to eat, come back refired up,
and was back to normal?  so maybe my box is getting hotter than optimal, &
that it was before?  OR some task takes it upon itself to be mucking around
after X amoutn of time?  Dunno Im still looking into this.

My machine isnt that beefy, 4x agp max, 512 ram, 2.5 ghz intel, on older
533(max) buss system. (ECS P4S5adx board) in a cheapo case...  I'm
contemplating a case-Top fan now...

Ive done a lot that Blackviper's site suggested about killing a bunch of
***in XP...  and like I said, for about 4 hours a night (never scrensaves
during this time usually) it runs awesome, but after many hours of being on,
PFFFT it is sux'n.




>> but it sounds like you have an 8xAGP capable
>> board so it should be ok.

> Remember the x8/x4/x2 thing is only really useful when transferring
> large amounts of data to & from the vid card. Under normal conditions
> (as I understand it) much of the data a vid card needs all the time
> (textures etc) will be loaded to the card's memory at the start of a
> drive, with relatively small amounts being churned back & forth on a
> frame by frame basis.

> I'm sure it makes *some* difference in real world use, but I've never
> seen any benchmarks comparing various AGP speeds. One would imagine
> you'd see these a lot if it was so important.

> Andrew McP


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