's allright. Things did bunch up as well.
I had a similar incident with Craig Johnson (grubbat) too. It can't be
stressed enough that once one strays onto an unintentional line, one should
hold it in order to be predictable with reference to those around you. On
the other hand it can also be argued that you, as the slower car, should
have held your line. One of those things...
Exactly... race as a whole was also very good and you did well.
Jan.
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> > For some reason, the race didn't score. Edred ?
> Score where? My LPI changed.
> > I only have one minor gripe, and I'll do it without mentioning names :)
> Mrention names. If they don't know there's a problem, they can't fix it.
> If you're talking about me, bite me. :)
> > With 15 - 20 laps to go (or so), there was one car (on the lead lap)
that
> > was MARKEDLY slower than the pack behind in the corners. Slow to the
point
> > that several times I had to actually lock up the tires to stay out of
the
> > back-end of him. The speed difference really was quite major.
> If you're faster, it's your job to find the best path around the slower
> car, not his job to let you by.
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This is not being courteous. Everyone always talks about being courteous in
these situations, so let's make it so.
And it was NOT John.
I think the discussion about the situation is far more important than who it
was, that's why I didn't mention a name.
-Larry
> >> Nice race guys! Pretty clean for such a tough track :)
> >> For some reason, the race didn't score. Edred ?
> >Score where? My LPI changed.
> Scored races don't always display an MP message for some reason. I
> have noticed it even on the Papy servers but it is always there later
> on.
> >> I only have one minor gripe, and I'll do it without mentioning names :)
> >Mrention names. If they don't know there's a problem, they can't fix it.
> >If you're talking about me, bite me. :)
> Heck it coulda been me. On the second to last restart I was really
> braking hard in the turns since I was in heavy traffic and it seemed
> like I was on the bottom 3 wide in serveral situations and was trying
> to make sure I didn't push up into the cars on the outside of me.
> >> With 15 - 20 laps to go (or so), there was one car (on the lead lap)
that
> >> was MARKEDLY slower than the pack behind in the corners. Slow to the
point
> >> that several times I had to actually lock up the tires to stay out of
the
> >> back-end of him. The speed difference really was quite major.
> >If you're faster, it's your job to find the best path around the slower
> >car, not his job to let you by.
> Agreed. I don't have a problem with a slower car trying to hold
> position if the car behind is faster. If it is a lapper and the
> leaders are clearly faster then, yes, you should pull out of the way.
> However, if you are pretty equal and you are fighting to stay on the
> lead lap, then I don't have a problem with that either. Personally if
> it is early on in the race I will probably let the faster car go when
> racing for position... 20 or 10 laps to go, you better figure out a
> way to get around me.
> Brian Oster
-Larry
> >Nice race guys! Pretty clean for such a tough track :)
> >For some reason, the race didn't score. Edred ?
> What do you mean it didn't score? How many drivers did you have?
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Larry, many times, someone can get out of shape in one turn and be back
up to speed in the next. If you can tell me preciesly which laps and
the car number that was holding everyone up, I can go back and look at
the replay to offer a more informed opinion.
That late in the race, you're bound to be pinned behind a slower car
(slower because they're damaged or on old tires). You have to be
*patient* and wait for an opening.
You can't count on anyone changing their driving style unless you call
them out and clearly identify the problem to them (and try not to***
them off). Further, you should wait until AFTER the race to speak with
them about it. Even then, you should still assume that they have no
intention of changing their driving style, and you shoud therefore
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>>With 15 - 20 laps to go (or so), there was one car (on the lead lap) that
>>was MARKEDLY slower than the pack behind in the corners. Slow to the point
>>that several times I had to actually lock up the tires to stay out of the
>>back-end of him. The speed difference really was quite major.
>If he was fighting for position, that's allowable. If he was fighting to stay
>on the lead lap, that's a little different. Having said that, I'll usually let
>the faster cars by, if the field has been shuffled by pitstops. Hell, most
>times I couldn't stay ahead if I *tried*... :(
>Eldred
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This is going a lot farther than I wanted it to. I'm not out to shoot the
guy, for crying out loud. It was just a situation I felt should be
discussed because it messed up several drivers, and IMHO was not very
courteous.
On to the next race.
-Larry
> > This is not being courteous. Everyone always talks about being
courteous in
> > these situations, so let's make it so.
> > And it was NOT John.
> > I think the discussion about the situation is far more important than
who it
> > was, that's why I didn't mention a name.
> Larry, many times, someone can get out of shape in one turn and be back
> up to speed in the next. If you can tell me preciesly which laps and
> the car number that was holding everyone up, I can go back and look at
> the replay to offer a more informed opinion.
> That late in the race, you're bound to be pinned behind a slower car
> (slower because they're damaged or on old tires). You have to be
> *patient* and wait for an opening.
> You can't count on anyone changing their driving style unless you call
> them out and clearly identify the problem to them (and try not to***
> them off). Further, you should wait until AFTER the race to speak with
> them about it. Even then, you should still assume that they have no
> intention of changing their driving style, and you shoud therefore
> continue to exercise some patience.
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Congrats to zugzug1 !
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Besides that, if you post something on a newsgroup, you should be
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the subject into an almost unrecognizable lump of michordial goo...
> This is going a lot farther than I wanted it to. I'm not out to shoot the
> guy, for crying out loud. It was just a situation I felt should be
> discussed because it messed up several drivers, and IMHO was not very
> courteous.
> On to the next race.
> -Larry
> > > Again, the speed difference was enourmous. Not just a little. The car
> was
> > > causing a serious parking lot behind him.
> > > This is not being courteous. Everyone always talks about being
> courteous in
> > > these situations, so let's make it so.
> > > And it was NOT John.
> > > I think the discussion about the situation is far more important than
> who it
> > > was, that's why I didn't mention a name.
> > Larry, many times, someone can get out of shape in one turn and be back
> > up to speed in the next. If you can tell me preciesly which laps and
> > the car number that was holding everyone up, I can go back and look at
> > the replay to offer a more informed opinion.
> > That late in the race, you're bound to be pinned behind a slower car
> > (slower because they're damaged or on old tires). You have to be
> > *patient* and wait for an opening.
> > You can't count on anyone changing their driving style unless you call
> > them out and clearly identify the problem to them (and try not to***
> > them off). Further, you should wait until AFTER the race to speak with
> > them about it. Even then, you should still assume that they have no
> > intention of changing their driving style, and you shoud therefore
> > continue to exercise some patience.
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As for the vegas race...
Sorry to Grubatt for out lap 3 incident. I'm normally not that aggressive
so early in a race but you were warping badly (side to side) so I made my
intentions clear as we came down the backstretch, I clearly had position
inside low (below line actually) but eithther you warped down or didnt give
me any room at all and we touched. Not passing any blame here just letting
you know what I saw.
Mitch
Mitch
> -Larry
> Other
> > >Nice race guys! Pretty clean for such a tough track :)
> > >For some reason, the race didn't score. Edred ?
> > What do you mean it didn't score? How many drivers did you have?
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It is a complicated situation :)
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> >Well, there's always a "what-if" applicable. Suffice it to say trhat
> >when racing for position, it's generally up to the faster car to find a
> >way around the slower car. If a lapped car or someone about to be
> >lapped is slower, GENERALLY, they should allow the other car to pass.
> I had a situation in another league race. I was slower than everyone else
on
> fresh tires. However, I found myself in a situation where I made a pit
stop,
> but no one else did. Once my tires got warmed up, I was even able to keep
up
> with the leader and 2nd place when I got lapped. I was really faster than
the
> 2nd place car, and probably the leader, but I felt weird about trying to
> pass.(I was a few laps down because of a disco)
> I pressured the 2nd place guy(he was blocking me), and after about 9 or so
> laps, he let me go by. What's protocol for a lapper who's actually CAUGHT
the
> leaders?
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On the one hand, knowing you were at least one lap down, they should
have realized that letting you by wouldn't hurt their position, unless
there was another leader car close enough to take advantage of them
slowing down.
Finally, pressing them for position may have been a mistake since you
were several laps down, and passing them would not have made much/any
diference to your then current situation.
It's kinda funny when you realize there's a lot of good reasons to let
someone go by, but there's also many compelling reasons to keep them
from passing you or slowing to allow it.
Like I said earlier, each situation is different, regardless of how
similar it might appear on the surface.
> >Well, there's always a "what-if" applicable. Suffice it to say trhat
> >when racing for position, it's generally up to the faster car to find a
> >way around the slower car. If a lapped car or someone about to be
> >lapped is slower, GENERALLY, they should allow the other car to pass.
> I had a situation in another league race. I was slower than everyone else on
> fresh tires. However, I found myself in a situation where I made a pit stop,
> but no one else did. Once my tires got warmed up, I was even able to keep up
> with the leader and 2nd place when I got lapped. I was really faster than the
> 2nd place car, and probably the leader, but I felt weird about trying to
> pass.(I was a few laps down because of a disco)
> I pressured the 2nd place guy(he was blocking me), and after about 9 or so
> laps, he let me go by. What's protocol for a lapper who's actually CAUGHT the
> leaders?
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Okay, sorry, it might not have been you. It was no big deal, I just locked
it up to avoid spinning and rejoined the pacing line.
The warping thing is pretty strange, because everybody's cars seemed to be
steady from my point of view (there were a few who were warping a bit at the
back of the field, but everybody else was fine). Maybe it was an upload
problem from my modem. I am racing on a 56k internal modem, so I might try
an external one, but other than that the only thing I can do is wait for BT
to give me an ADSL line.
When you finally did get up inside me I let you go though, no point fighting
that hard when somebody is up inside of you. I'll download the server replay
to get some idea of what everybody was seeing of my car.
Nick.
> > I think it was someone else. I didn't clip anyone at pit entrance
> > (although I did cut off Mitch on pit entry at the lap 32 yellow with no
> > contact between the two of us).
> > You were warping side-to-side bad enough for me to not want to attempt a
> > pass, especially after warp-wrecked Colin on lap 95.
> Okay, sorry, it might not have been you. It was no big deal, I just locked
> it up to avoid spinning and rejoined the pacing line.
> The warping thing is pretty strange, because everybody's cars seemed to be
> steady from my point of view (there were a few who were warping a bit at the
> back of the field, but everybody else was fine). Maybe it was an upload
> problem from my modem. I am racing on a 56k internal modem, so I might try
> an external one, but other than that the only thing I can do is wait for BT
> to give me an ADSL line.
> When you finally did get up inside me I let you go though, no point fighting
> that hard when somebody is up inside of you. I'll download the server replay
> to get some idea of what everybody was seeing of my car.
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