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by **Nathan Wo** » Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Is there an In-Car view in Pod? I thought it was all outside?
And how do you get framerates for the above games?
I found out ho with Moto Racer, but I wasn't aware of a way to get
framerates for F1RS and POD.

by **Randy Magrud** » Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>OK I understand your rationale about drivers. And I do agree
>(hey a first!). However, the problem is then the driver writers.
>Obviously for whatever reason 3dfx has this driver thing solved.

If nothing else, the 3DFX has been around a lot longer, and even where
there are driver problems, most of the game makers now know enough
about how to work around them and code for either driver/hardware
limitations. Whereas with the Riva boards, they are just exposing a
lot problems in D3D (which I agree it has -- particularly if you
consider how many problems show up in CPR with WHQL certified
drivers!)

I don't know if I'll wait that long. If I were to buy a M3D now it
would be for compatibility and stability purposes, not image quality
or speed.

Randy

by **David Gree** » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>>I think it does, if you compare framerates against pod, F1RS loses quite a few.
>>Also when viewed from behind the car it is a bit quicker.

>Is there an In-Car view in Pod? I thought it was all outside?

No incar

Don't know, I've been using my own guestimates

I dont think you can...

(Below isn't directed at you personally, but for anyone who might not understand
what the hell I'm going on about)

I was just saying that in my opinion there was a reduction in F1RS framerate
compared to POD. This isn't a bad thing just something that seems to happen.

I'm just questioning whether the framerate drop is because of the***pit view
(which I am grateful for) or not and if it were the***pit view would it be
less on a Rendition V2200 card.

I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to understand. As far as I'm concerned the
F1RS***pit view framerate is quite good.

The Voodoo is king for 3D games, but is it possible that the V2200 is actually
the better card for***pit view racing sims? Thats all I'm trying to find out.
Because if it is, then I'd stick one beside my Voodoo.

Regards,
David

by **David Gree** » Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>> >snip

>> >> As much as I'd like a Voodoo2 it will be some time before I get one because the
>> >> initial price in Australia will be to rich for me. I'm hoping that the V2200
>> >> will be better in D3D for racing sims that use a***pit than the Voodoo
>> >> currently is. I base this on the performance hit that CPR had when turning
>> >> on/off the***pit.

>> >If this would be a big problem with the Voodoo why doesn't it show in
>> >F1RS?

>> I think it does, if you compare framerates against pod, F1RS loses quite a few.
>> Also when viewed from behind the car it is a bit quicker.

>You're comparing frame rates of arcade and sim!? There are quite a few
>cpu cycles spent on car physics, you know?

Thats true, I guess I shouldn't be.. The reason I did was because F1RS used the
POD graphics engine.

Well if there wasn't a***pit view, I'm pretty confident I'd be driving GP2 :)

Regards,
David

by **Nosfera** » Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>The results of these "image quality" tests are so uneven as to be
>highly dubious at best. You simply cannot ignore the issue of driver
>maturity when judging this, particularly when early problems that
>resulted in lower image quality were ironed out in driver updates and
>software updates.

Sorry to drag this issue up again, but I was justover at Toms Hardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/3dbench2.html and had a look at the 3D
benchmarks page. All I can say now is, read it and weep. The Riva
isn't any competition to a 3DFX card. I was under the impression it
was as fast as a 3DFX card. I was wrong. For consumer level boards
it's still king over a year after it's release.
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by **Greg Cisk** » Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:00:00

>Btw, I'm picking up a Monster 3D second-hand for just $75. Couldn't
>resist the price and at least it will let me run F1RS and see whether
>its significantly better with the 3DFX. I have no interest in

Yes it will :-) BTW, I'm not threatened by the RIVA in the least.

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by **Randy Magrud** » Sun, 01 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Sorry to drag this issue up again, but I was justover at Toms Hardware
>http://www.tomshardware.com/3dbench2.html and had a look at the 3D
>benchmarks page. All I can say now is, read it and weep.

Oh yeah, I'm cryin' now. Do you really want me to go and scare up all
the other benchmarks that show the Riva winning? What would that
prove?

FUD, FUD and more FUD.

Btw, I'm picking up a Monster 3D second-hand for just $75. Couldn't
resist the price and at least it will let me run F1RS and see whether
its significantly better with the 3DFX. I have no interest in
promoting Riva, but the VoodooZealots definitely seem to feel
threatened enough by it to make it the single "board to bash" of
choice.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

by **Nosfera** » Sun, 01 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Oh yeah, I'm cryin' now. Do you really want me to go and scare up all
>the other benchmarks that show the Riva winning? What would that
>prove?

>>The Riva isn't any competition to a 3DFX card.

You would be comparing an AGP Riva to a PCI Voodoo if you did that so
it wouldn't be valid anyway.

What the *** does that mean Mr.***wad?

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by **Randy Magrud** » Mon, 02 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>You would be comparing an AGP Riva to a PCI Voodoo if you did that so
>it wouldn't be valid anyway.

Where can I get an AGP voodoo?

Oh..namecalling. How scary. I bet you stayed up all night thinking
up that name for me. Yes, you succeeded. Your childish namecalling
has scared me into silence, because I'm just so incredibly awed by the
intellect that could come up with the clever tactic of namecalling.

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Ronald Stoeh** » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00

> >You would be comparing an AGP Riva to a PCI Voodoo if you did that so
> >it wouldn't be valid anyway.

> Where can I get an AGP voodoo?

> >>FUD, FUD and more FUD.

> >What the *** does that mean Mr.***wad?

> Oh..namecalling. How scary. I bet you stayed up all night thinking
> up that name for me. Yes, you succeeded. Your childish namecalling
> has scared me into silence, because I'm just so incredibly awed by the
> intellect that could come up with the clever tactic of namecalling.

Hey, he does it all the time in c.si.p.g.f., why should he stop doing
it in r.a.s.... ;^)

l8er
ronny

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by **Nosfera** » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00

On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:38:35 +0100, Ronald Stoehr

>Hey, he does it all the time in c.si.p.g.f., why should he stop doing
>it in r.a.s.... ;^)

I don't think so. I just don't like the snotty nosed snobs in this
group so anything to***them off is a good thing in my books.
Noticed I never replied to his post? I'm no longer interested in him
or his views. He can say whatever he likes about me, you included, and
I couldn't give a shit.
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by **Jay** » Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Premature test...

Keep in mind that the RIVA 128 doesn't even have a BETA Open GL driver
available yet!!!! So this comparison is between a card that's been on the
market for over a year, and had plenty of time to have the kinks worked out,
and a card that's new to the market...

There will be a BETA Open GL driver available in a week or two, so
hopefully Tom's site will do another review at that time.

Don't count the RIVA out yet!

by **papa..** » Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Ooops...shit Tom did a review of Voodoo 2....oops....hehehehe.
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