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Riva vs Voodoo

Ronald Stoeh

Riva vs Voodoo

by Ronald Stoeh » Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:00:00


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> As much as I'd like a Voodoo2 it will be some time before I get one because the
> initial price in Australia will be to rich for me. I'm hoping that the V2200
> will be better in D3D for racing sims that use a***pit than the Voodoo
> currently is. I base this on the performance hit that CPR had when turning
> on/off the***pit.

If this would be a big problem with the Voodoo why doesn't it show in
F1RS?

Sometimes it's just the used 3D engine... ;^)

l8er
ronny

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papa..

Riva vs Voodoo

by papa.. » Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Sorry Boot is not the only source for this appraisal of the Riva
chipset. The latest is Toms Hardware Page www.tomshardware.com in his
just published extensive 3d card test. Tom was none too impressed with
image quality on the Riva chipset.

His verdict....get a Voodoo if your serious about Games....umm where
have I heard that before.

Pierre

papa..

Riva vs Voodoo

by papa.. » Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Better run and tell Tom at Toms hardware...he wasnt too impressed with
the visuals of the Riva in his just published extensive test of 3d
Cards....looks pretty bad to me to....

Pierre

Randy Magrud

Riva vs Voodoo

by Randy Magrud » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00


>Sorry Boot is not the only source for this appraisal of the Riva
>chipset. The latest is Toms Hardware Page www.tomshardware.com in his
>just published extensive 3d card test. Tom was none too impressed with
>image quality on the Riva chipset.

Tom also doesn't have all his facts straight.  He says:

"4MB hereof as frame buffer. NVidia's RIVA 128 chip has got a simular
problem, it can't support more than 4 MB onboard memory,
only good for a 3D resolution of maximal 800x600. "

Hilarious considering that I took a break from this message and fired
up the G-Police demo at 1024x768 hardware accelerated with no problems
(and you'll find this resolution tested in many benchmarks of the Riva
chipset, as well).  So, I'm sorry Tom was "none too impressed" by the
image quality of the chipset, but I'm also sorry he is uninformed
about the features of the card he's criticizing.

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

Randy Magrud

Riva vs Voodoo

by Randy Magrud » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00


>Better run and tell Tom at Toms hardware...he wasnt too impressed with
>the visuals of the Riva in his just published extensive test of 3d
>Cards....looks pretty bad to me to....

And I repeat...Tom has his facts screwed up, for starters, claiming
that the Riva is limited to 800x600, when I just got done playing
G-Police on it at 1024x768 (I've done the same with FS 98).  

Randy
Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com

papa..

Riva vs Voodoo

by papa.. » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Im not really sure that I give enough of a shit about this to make
this point. But here goes...in case it does matter to someone making
this decsion....

TOM is NOT the only one saying this.....

The Screen Shots do look bad...

Voodoo Extreme yea yea I know but the guy there has one on his machine
and likes it but admits the image quality is NOT as good as his
Voodoo.

I really truly dont feel like going and finding all the sites that
have run tests that show the image quality is screwed compared to a
Voodoo...Why..??? Because I have a Voodoo it makes no difference to me
what video card you have. You want a Riva great....have fun. My Voodoo
rocks my world...and I havent heard many who have said otherwise about
their purchase of a Voodoo.

PAPA DOC

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand
Infamous
Pink Flamingo Pilot...

Eric T. Busc

Riva vs Voodoo

by Eric T. Busc » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I don't have the original post, so forgive the quoting.

Randy, yes I know that the Riva cards auto-generate mipmaps and I've
read their technical discussion page.  I'm not sure if that's the
underlying cause (NVidia would like you to believe it actually helps),
but the fact still remains that the cards image quality is noticeably
lower than the other major players (Rendition is tops, followed by
3Dfx).  I'll take looks and good speed over great speed any day...

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Nosfera

Riva vs Voodoo

by Nosfera » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00


nothing worth reading.
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UnserFa

Riva vs Voodoo

by UnserFa » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Rendition picture quality speaks for itself!  Even with it's first generation
V1000-series chips!

Loren
Team SAVATS
PROUD Screamin' 3D owner

Alis

Riva vs Voodoo

by Alis » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00


>I really truly dont feel like going and finding all the sites that
>have run tests that show the image quality is screwed compared to a
>Voodoo...Why..??? Because I have a Voodoo it makes no difference to me
>what video card you have. You want a Riva great....have fun. My Voodoo
>rocks my world...and I havent heard many who have said otherwise about
>their purchase of a Voodoo.

Well said, Pierre!  I was a diehard Rendition fan until about 10 minutes
after the shrink wrap came off the box of my Diamond Monster 3D.  My
Voodoo rocks my world, too!

Eagle Woman



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Eric T. Busc

Riva vs Voodoo

by Eric T. Busc » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

In everything but ModeX VGA you wouldn't notice the difference...

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>    2D performance? RIVA beats Millenium II at 2D :) This is still an
>issue too!

Goy Larse

Riva vs Voodoo

by Goy Larse » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00

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Got to throw in something here

I follow your point Randy, and it`s a good one, but I feel that you may
be overlooking the point that you have a very powerful CPU to back up
your Riva.

If we look Tom`s numbers and assumes that they are reasonably correct
(he DOES know a thing or two about computers after all), the thing that
strikes me is that unless you have a P200MMX or above you MAY actually
run D3D faster with a 3Dfx board.

I did some tests with GLQuake myself, and the great thing about the 3Dfx
is that it is not very CPU dependant (if you have an Intel :-), if I ran
a P100 or a P200 or my brand new PII :-); not that much of a difference
in performance, so if you have a low end PC I would say the choice IS
very clear (Unless you plan to run Papy/Sierra games of course :-).

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
(looking for the mailman with my brand new Diamond Viper 330 in his bag)

Randy Magrud

Riva vs Voodoo

by Randy Magrud » Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:00:00


>So you think if he had better facts about the hardware he would
>magically think the image was better? If he thought it looked like
>crapola, what does it matter if he got some specs wrong? And
>BTW, I am assuming you are correct about the specs. He isn't
>the lone ranger in saying the riva picture quality was inferior.
>Or do you not realize that?

He's also far from unopposed on this issue.  I brought to light his
factual inaccuracies lest those people that want to quote him as if
he's the biblical reference on 3D sources also realize he's not
infallible.  Again, I'll state, in many cases where the image quality
is markedly inferior, other people who use a different nVidia board
with different drivers observe an improvement in quality.
Unfortunately, I can't use a Diamond Viper's drivers on my STB
Velocity, so I still have some problems with some games (such as CPR),
but the drivers are still being brought along and bugs (including
those which affect image quality) are being ironed out.  I do not deny
there have been image quality problems.  But I will say that those
that love to claim that its the CHIPSET and is therefore unfixable are
being routinely proven wrong as software patches from the game
developer as well as new drivers demonstrate that the problem was in
software all along.

Randy

Randy Magruder
Contributing Reviewer
Digital Sportspage
http://www.digitalsports.com


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