rec.autos.simulators

by **Bill Jone** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> >>Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
> >>better sim.

> >>Todd

> >I actully think.........Nascar 4 can beat GPL.

> NASCAR cars are like boats.

?? You ever been in a NASCAR ride? Try taking a spin in one sometime,
either as a passenger with a pro driver or driving yourself at a place like
the Richard Petty Driving Experience. Either way the first corner out of
the pit will change your opinion that these cars handle like boats. More
like stick like glue. Everyone I know who has taken a ride said they
honestly thought the car would never make that first corner without going
into the wall, and yet the tires didn't even squeal.

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by **Alan Orto** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yep, they axed Can-Am a while ago when the series folded last year.

> Hi there,

> >Yes, I am pleased cos I've set a new PB, and wish to reaffirm my commitment
> >to GPL after being on holiday- It's good to be back in the GPL appreciation
> >society!!!

> Well yesterday I also set an new PB ( 8:16,42 at the Nuerburgring,
> yeeeeehaaaaaa ) and I'm also very pleased, but also without that I would
> agree 100 % to your Post.
> Those Cars from the sixties and early seventees really got me. These were
> the golden days of Formula 1, too bad that so many man paid such an high
> price for that great racing...

> Since Easter-Monday I'm reading the autobiography of Alfred Neubauer, the
> Mercedes Benz Race Director from the 1920 to 1955, ( bought at the
> gas-station at the "Doettinger Hoehe" at the 'Ring ) and Im thinking how
> great an GPL-like "Spirit of Speed 1937" would have been. Such a shame that
> this Micropose Sim is such a crap, and such a shame that there is no
> mass-market interest in historical Racing Sims.

> BTW, is the Can-Am Sim from Motorsims dead ? I did really look forward to an
> 60's Can Am Sim...

> Michael Staab
> --
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by **Ace** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

It won't have to try hard to beat any previous NASCAR games, thats for sure,
but I reiterate: It's the cars that make GPL special, although I saw anoher
post proposing 60's Indycars, sounds good.

by **Ace** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

All except ONE person, and I think we all know whom... (initial "D"?)

by **Michael E. Carve** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

% Yep, they axed Can-Am a while ago when the series folded last year.

<sniP>
% >
% > BTW, is the Can-Am Sim from Motorsims dead ? I did really look forward to an
% > 60's Can Am Sim...
% >

As far as I know Motorsims is still developing their "Trans-Am"
simulation.

http://www.motorsims.com/standard/index.html

When released it will be based on "current" cars but they plan to
provide older cars and tracks after the intial release.

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by c » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

My friend did that to me once in his celica. He spent $10,000 (cdn) on
suspension alone (cage, brakes and stuff included as they are considered
suspension apparently) and he took me for a spin. I drove a hopped up miata
at the time and was no stranger to making passengers pee their pants due to
'Rockford Files' U-turns, and full lock-to-lock power-slide corners and
such..... Anyways, he took me out for a spin in his celica and we were
bootin' down the street around 80 clams or so, and I notice his left signal
go on. And he doesn't even lift off the gas, just holdin' it steady. Then
we're at the corner, and he starts to turn in. I grab what's left of the
interior of the car to brace myself 'cause my brain is telling me that a
car cannot make a corner at that speed having turned in that late and not
allowing any 'slideage' area. As far as I was concerned it was simply not
possible, and I'm thinking "what the hell is he doing?" Next thing I know
we're through the corner, the tires having not even squeaked. They were
those super-duper mushy tires that just kinda make that scrubbing noise. It
just tracked right through the corner.
Wow, that was a car, it just stuck.

scooter

> > >>Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be
a
> > >>better sim.

> > >>Todd

> > >I actully think.........Nascar 4 can beat GPL.

> > NASCAR cars are like boats.

> ?? You ever been in a NASCAR ride? Try taking a spin in one sometime,
> either as a passenger with a pro driver or driving yourself at a place
like
> the Richard Petty Driving Experience. Either way the first corner out of
> the pit will change your opinion that these cars handle like boats. More
> like stick like glue. Everyone I know who has taken a ride said they
> honestly thought the car would never make that first corner without going
> into the wall, and yet the tires didn't even squeal.

> <remove 7of9 for e-mail replies>

> --
> Bill Jones e-mail addresses:

> (860) 701-1201 WWW: http://pages.cthome.net/billj

by **Mark Jeangerar** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Before the end of this year there will be at least one better sim.

...when you look at the likes of World Circuit, and then F355 Challenge, can
there be any question that we are simply at a point in time. I know it's
hard not to get impatient, but...

--
Mark Jeangerard - my money's on WSC but my prayers for GP3

by **Gregor Vebl** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> The reasons have been discussed time and again. Every new sim is compared to
> GPL and fails. Even new sims that in future may use the GPL engine will not
> be as good. The physics can go to hell- it's about the cars that are being
> simulated. The physics model merely gives the ability to get a good feel of
> the car you're driving. You could come close with early 50s maybe, but no
> other era of F1 produced quite the cars of the mid to late 60s: loads of
> power, minimal grip, soft suspension (relatively) and tortous circuits.
> Try as they may, no-one will ever better GPL for pure feel unless they do
> the '67 (or maybe '68) season again (and let us have the McLaren-BRM as well
> as the other cars).
> Yes, I am pleased cos I've set a new PB, and wish to reaffirm my commitment
> to GPL after being on holiday- It's good to be back in the GPL appreciation
> society!!!

> I shall now duck and take cover.

> -Ace-

One of the more positive trolling posts in a while, with trolling meant
in the most positive sense of the word ;) . While I agree that the era
they modelled with GPL is amazing, thinking that those cars are the only
ones that provide such thrills is a bit limited.

Rallying with Mini Coopers or doing the Mille Miglia or any other event
including those old timers (250 GTO anyone?) goes the same way if not
further in my book.

-Gregor

by **Tim O** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Since I've seen you re-iterate this a few times, I just want to pipe
in and say that the cars that don't make GPL special for me.

I'll admit they're incredible for showing off the ability of the game
engine, but I have no affinity for the cars or the era (it's not an
age thing either. I'm not a kid, and my favorite flight sims are WW1
era).

I'll live with NASCAR 4, but I really want these physics applied to a
modern sports car sim. Modern cars will get ugly and out of shape,
it's just that their limits are higher than the GPL cars.

As far as a realistic "low traction" sim, I'd also love to have an
updated SODA with the GPL engine.
Do you suppose the GPL engine could even handle a SODA style sim?
It's engine allowed huge elevation changes and a completely
inconsistent track surface. Way ahead of it's time, unfortunately.

I always feel like an outsider here, because I see the greatness of
GPL, but I still prefer to play SODA or Viper.

Tim

by **Martyn Danb** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Better?!

Better is a tough term to qualify...

I used to be a die hard Air Warrior 3 fan, and still do venture into
that sim from time to time. Over the years this sim has developed a
very strong community. This community is a programmers dream i'd
think. AW3 is based on code that is at least 10 yrs old, and likely a
dozen "better" sims have come along, tho only a few offering the massive
multiplayer arenas. In my experience its been the community that has
kept this sim going. I can't think of any other reasons....
There are several program updates a year, with all the usual complaints
of "it messed up my connection" or "it was fine before!!", or "hey now
i need to upgrade my sytem to play!" and even through all of this you
can find up to 600-700 players online flying on a weekday evening....

The sim has been criticized many times over the years with regards to
its modelling, its lackluster graphics and who knows how many other
complaints... Yet it lives on...

Its all in the people that play it, its the community that keeps a sim
alive.

Md

> Before the end of this year there will be at least one better sim.

> ...when you look at the likes of World Circuit, and then F355 Challenge, can
> there be any question that we are simply at a point in time. I know it's
> hard not to get impatient, but...

> --
> Mark Jeangerard - my money's on WSC but my prayers for GP3

> > Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
> > better sim.

> > Todd

by **Ace** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> >It won't have to try hard to beat any previous NASCAR games, thats for
sure,
> >but I reiterate: It's the cars that make GPL special, although I saw
anoher
> >post proposing 60's Indycars, sounds good.

> Since I've seen you re-iterate this a few times, I just want to pipe
> in and say that the cars that don't make GPL special for me.

> I'll admit they're incredible for showing off the ability of the game
> engine, but I have no affinity for the cars or the era (it's not an
> age thing either. I'm not a kid, and my favorite flight sims are WW1
> era).

> I'll live with NASCAR 4, but I really want these physics applied to a
> modern sports car sim. Modern cars will get ugly and out of shape,
> it's just that their limits are higher than the GPL cars.

> As far as a realistic "low traction" sim, I'd also love to have an
> updated SODA with the GPL engine.
> Do you suppose the GPL engine could even handle a SODA style sim?
> It's engine allowed huge elevation changes and a completely
> inconsistent track surface. Way ahead of it's time, unfortunately.

> I always feel like an outsider here, because I see the greatness of
> GPL, but I still prefer to play SODA or Viper.

Horses for courses, I guess. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As a
youngster, I never got to see these ancient cars first time round, so they
have a special magic for me. I think you are spot on to demand a modern sim
with the GPL engine, however, although ahead of it's time in 1998, it too is
now out of date, only nobody has improved it. example: rolling resistance
isn't modelled. It certainly should be, as with a few other things which all
eat too much CPU power, so had to be excluded at the time. As to what it
could handle, you'd have to ask Dave Kaemmer :-)

by **Loosa** » Sat, 06 May 2000 04:00:00

I heartily agree, GPL is the most accurate physics model that I have seen, but
I play and enjoy Viper far more, I just wish that there were more tracks. I
also find off-road games to be more fun as well, but sim off roaders are few
and far between.

by **Loosa** » Sat, 06 May 2000 04:00:00

I think that a Gran Tourismo clone for the PC, using GPL physics would be a
huge success, and could even surpass GPL, given the diversity of cars ranging
from stock street tired Honda Civics to 950 H.P. Race cars.

by **Phil Flac** » Sat, 06 May 2000 04:00:00

FG will better the lot :) There won't be anything to stop it's might !

;-)

Phil

> >I always feel like an outsider here, because I see the greatness of
> >GPL, but I still prefer to play SODA or Viper.

> I heartily agree, GPL is the most accurate physics model that I have seen, but
> I play and enjoy Viper far more, I just wish that there were more tracks. I
> also find off-road games to be more fun as well, but sim off roaders are few
> and far between.

by **De Hoo** » Sat, 06 May 2000 04:00:00

Isn't it time for an sim based on the GPL engine.
I would love to ride a normal car-real life sim.
Something like the Sims on the road ;-)

Ben

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