rec.autos.simulators

by **Ace** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

The reasons have been discussed time and again. Every new sim is compared to
GPL and fails. Even new sims that in future may use the GPL engine will not
be as good. The physics can go to hell- it's about the cars that are being
simulated. The physics model merely gives the ability to get a good feel of
the car you're driving. You could come close with early 50s maybe, but no
other era of F1 produced quite the cars of the mid to late 60s: loads of
power, minimal grip, soft suspension (relatively) and tortous circuits.
Try as they may, no-one will ever better GPL for pure feel unless they do
the '67 (or maybe '68) season again (and let us have the McLaren-BRM as well
as the other cars).
Yes, I am pleased cos I've set a new PB, and wish to reaffirm my commitment
to GPL after being on holiday- It's good to be back in the GPL appreciation
society!!!

I shall now duck and take cover.

-Ace-

by **Todd Sorense** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
better sim.

Todd

by **himrli..** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, maybe by 2250. But what are the chances that this *better sim*
will only really look its best with a Rendition V2200? Answer me
that!

(Oh, all right. Don't answer.) <g>

>Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
>better sim.

>Todd

>> The reasons have been discussed time and again. Every new sim is compared
>to
>> GPL and fails. Even new sims that in future may use the GPL engine will
>not
>> be as good. The physics can go to hell- it's about the cars that are being
>> simulated. The physics model merely gives the ability to get a good feel
>of
>> the car you're driving. You could come close with early 50s maybe, but no
>> other era of F1 produced quite the cars of the mid to late 60s: loads of
>> power, minimal grip, soft suspension (relatively) and tortous circuits.
>> Try as they may, no-one will ever better GPL for pure feel unless they do
>> the '67 (or maybe '68) season again (and let us have the McLaren-BRM as
>well
>> as the other cars).
>> Yes, I am pleased cos I've set a new PB, and wish to reaffirm my
>commitment
>> to GPL after being on holiday- It's good to be back in the GPL
>appreciation
>> society!!!

>> I shall now duck and take cover.

>> -Ace-

Remove "hi" from address or it will bounce....

by **David Butte** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

<snip>

Make sure you tell us, will you? I won't be here, in any case, as I'm
emigrating to the lawless frontier areas of 61 Cygni about 50 years
before that. It's a bit worrying, really - there, you can be branded
for playing Sega Rally, put in the stocks for not liking GPL, and hung,
drawn and quartered for posting warez on NGs (hey, maybe it's not that
bad after all!)

--
David.
"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll,
really."
(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

by **Bill Met** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>The reasons have been discussed time and again. Every new sim is compared to
>GPL and fails. Even new sims that in future may use the GPL engine will not
>be as good. The physics can go to hell- it's about the cars that are being
>simulated. The physics model merely gives the ability to get a good feel of
>the car you're driving. You could come close with early 50s maybe, but no
>other era of F1 produced quite the cars of the mid to late 60s: loads of
>power, minimal grip, soft suspension (relatively) and tortous circuits.
>Try as they may, no-one will ever better GPL for pure feel unless they do
>the '67 (or maybe '68) season again (and let us have the McLaren-BRM as well
>as the other cars).
>Yes, I am pleased cos I've set a new PB, and wish to reaffirm my commitment
>to GPL after being on holiday- It's good to be back in the GPL appreciation
>society!!!

True for F1. But if you you'll allow full bodies into the mix, then I
would say a CanAm sim from '69 or '70 with GPL caliber physics would have
a shot at beating GPL with your Criterea.

--
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Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our

by **Tony StewartNo** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I actully think.........Nascar 4 can beat GPL.

by **ymenar** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yep... Im sure in 2049 we will still say "Naw... it's not like GPL!"
"It sucks". "The tracks are crappy!". "There is no arms in the virtual
***pit!".

<vbg>

-- ;)
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **ymenar** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Sierra will probably still be milking money with their old game engine ;)

"NASCAR 250. Now includes realistic gear shift 3d knob, but you still can't
flip!". Be sure to buy a week after it's release the "NASCAR 250b Expansion
pack", giving you access to the second half of the Winston Cup tracks. This
way we can shelve another 40bucks of your pocket since we are so
greeeeeeeeeedy :)

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Here's hoping... 'bout time the bar got moved up a notch.

Jan.
=---

by **Speedy Fas** » Thu, 27 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>>Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
>>better sim.

>>Todd

>I actully think.........Nascar 4 can beat GPL.

NASCAR cars are like boats. The reason GPL will be difficult to match
is everything about the cars... they are fun to drive. It is PURE
racing in my opinion.

by **Michael Staa** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hi there,

Well yesterday I also set an new PB ( 8:16,42 at the Nuerburgring,
yeeeeehaaaaaa ) and I'm also very pleased, but also without that I would
agree 100 % to your Post.
Those Cars from the sixties and early seventees really got me. These were
the golden days of Formula 1, too bad that so many man paid such an high
price for that great racing...

Since Easter-Monday I'm reading the autobiography of Alfred Neubauer, the
Mercedes Benz Race Director from the 1920 to 1955, ( bought at the
gas-station at the "Doettinger Hoehe" at the 'Ring ) and Im thinking how
great an GPL-like "Spirit of Speed 1937" would have been. Such a shame that
this Micropose Sim is such a crap, and such a shame that there is no
mass-market interest in historical Racing Sims.

BTW, is the Can-Am Sim from Motorsims dead ? I did really look forward to an
60's Can Am Sim...

Michael Staab
--
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by **Andre Warring** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>I actully think.........Nascar 4 can beat GPL.

Nah. Nascar 4 hasn't got Lotus 49 and Eagle cars...

Andre

by **booj..** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I agree, for the most part, but I'd be e***d to see some improvements
when computer speed improvements will allow:

Pavement changes/cracks/potholes and oil on track
Weather
3 pedal wheels with H shifters instead of sequential (allowing heel-toe
double clutch etc)

That would be exciting, but I agree with you, I have a hard time
imagining that I will enjoy another sim as much as GPL. It's so f$$king
good and fun!

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Before you buy.

by **Allan Harriso** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

HAHA - Yes it is so true then the week after that comes out the Nascar
Craftsman Truck Racing expansion pack!

> > Maybe, but forever is a long time. I 'm guessing by 2250 there will be a
> > better sim.

> Sierra will probably still be milking money with their old game engine ;)

> "NASCAR 250. Now includes realistic gear shift 3d knob, but you still
can't
> flip!". Be sure to buy a week after it's release the "NASCAR 250b
Expansion
> pack", giving you access to the second half of the Winston Cup tracks.
This
> way we can shelve another 40bucks of your pocket since we are so
> greeeeeeeeeedy :)

> <sfx : Dr. Evil laugh>

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.WeRace.net
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Yes, but it will have a stereo in every race car playing banjo music (a la
South Park). Yeee haaaa! Look Maw, arm raysin!

Andrew McP... looking forward to VROC N4 racing if it has N3-style mirrors
(which we can then steal and install in GPL!)

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