rec.autos.simulators

by **Careful with that axe, Nic** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:05:00

To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes, AI
were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure out,
and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing them.
The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start of
a race weekend was really neat.

Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of my
opponets, I think I'll be fine!

Nick

by **James Pickar** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:35:17

I have found that if you put all the realism on.. everything except maybe
auto lean, it is great. But what really made it much more enjoyable, was
using manual gears the clincher was putting braking power up by just 50%.
This still makes it feel realistic, but makes it a LOT more forgiving if you
miss your braking marker by 3 metres. You can sill pull up and get around,
instead of just dropping it. Makes it a lot less frustrating.

James

by **Careful with that axe, Nic** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:08:55

Right now I have brake assistant off, movement assist off, gear assist on (The
only game I have manual gears is NASCAR), and rider assistance on. It keeps me
ahead off the competition when they are at level 1. I havn't really tried to
drive without ride assist becuase I really wanted to jump in and race.

Nick

> I have found that if you put all the realism on.. everything except maybe
> auto lean, it is great. But what really made it much more enjoyable, was
> using manual gears the clincher was putting braking power up by just 50%.
> This still makes it feel realistic, but makes it a LOT more forgiving if you
> miss your braking marker by 3 metres. You can sill pull up and get around,
> instead of just dropping it. Makes it a lot less frustrating.

> James

> > To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes, AI
> > were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure out,
> > and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing them.
> > The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start of
> > a race weekend was really neat.

> > Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of my
> > opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> > Nick

by **Eldre** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:03:56

>Right now I have brake assistant off, movement assist off, gear assist on
>(The
>only game I have manual gears is NASCAR), and rider assistance on. It keeps
>me
>ahead off the competition when they are at level 1. I havn't really tried to
>drive without ride assist becuase I really wanted to jump in and race.

Strange - Nascar is the only game where I use AUTO gears...<shrug>

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by **Marc Collin** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:55:08

It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am afraid I
have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

Marc.

by **Philip D'Amat** » Fri, 05 Jan 2001 16:17:17

Anyone using the Ducati Corse controller for motorcycle games?? I found it
on their web, and it looks interesting (it looks like a sportbike control
set), but before I splurge for an international (for me) purchase I was
wondering if anyone has actually tried it out.

--
Philip D'Amato

00 ZX-6R
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> It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am afraid
I
> have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

> Marc.

> > To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes, AI
> > were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure out,
> > and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing them.
> > The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start of
> > a race weekend was really neat.

> > Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of my
> > opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> > Nick

by **Careful with that axe, Nic** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 03:46:22

I just use my joystick, allthough that appears to be going down the tubes.

Nick

> It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am afraid I
> have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

> Marc.

> > To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes, AI
> > were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure out,
> > and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing them.
> > The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start of
> > a race weekend was really neat.

> > Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of my
> > opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> > Nick

by **Laurens de Jon** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 05:55:22

> It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am afraid
I
> have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

I use a motorcycle-handlebars controller from Ergenic (for a glimpse, see
http://www.ergenic.com), which is similar to the Ducati. From what I've
read of the Ducati controller, this one's cheaper and not worse. I would
have liked to have the throttle and break on separate axes, though. But
overall, it's the first time I've become immersed in a bike sim, thanks to
this controller.

-Laurens de Jong.

by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:15:09

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:55:22 +0100, "Laurens de Jong"

>I use a motorcycle-handlebars controller from Ergenic (for a glimpse, see
>http://www.ergenic.com), which is similar to the Ducati. From what I've
>read of the Ducati controller, this one's cheaper and not worse. I would
>have liked to have the throttle and break on separate axes, though. But
>overall, it's the first time I've become immersed in a bike sim, thanks to
>this controller.

Thanks for the tip Laurens!! I didn't even knew these kind of
controllers existed, and they're cheap too..
Do you have any idea where I can buy this wheel in the netherlands?
I tried the 'contact' button, filled in the form that I would like to
order the motorwheel, but when I pressed 'send' I got a 'could not
display page' error :(
And about this Ducati controller: Does this one have separate axis for
throttle and break? Perhaps you know an url with more info about the
Ducati controller? Yahoo search for 'ducati controller' didn't give me
any usefull links..

Andre

by **evente..** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:23:06

I use a MS FFB joystick. The FFB in SBK2001 is quite good - you can
feel the difference between the front end and the rear end sliding. I
disagree with the poster who says there's no grip with wheelspin, I've
got the back wheel way out of shape and still saved it. I think the
FFB helps.
I'd think beyond the cool handlebar factor, most dedicated bike
controllers would be hopeless as they wouldn't properly model counter-
steering (the real way you steer a motorcycle). I'd rather just model
the leaning with a joystick.
I've got all 3 EA SBK games, and SBK2001 is far and away the best.

Kendt

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by **Andre Warring** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 10:01:46

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:55:22 +0100, "Laurens de Jong"

>I use a motorcycle-handlebars controller from Ergenic (for a glimpse, see
>http://www.ergenic.com), which is similar to the Ducati. From what I've
>read of the Ducati controller, this one's cheaper and not worse. I would
>have liked to have the throttle and break on separate axes, though. But
>overall, it's the first time I've become immersed in a bike sim, thanks to
>this controller.

Thanks for the tip Laurens!! I didn't even knew these kind of
controllers existed, and they're cheap too..
Do you have any idea where I can buy this wheel in the netherlands?
I tried the 'contact' button, filled in the form that I would like to
order the motorwheel, but when I pressed 'send' I got a 'could not
display page' error :(

Andre

by **Marc Collin** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:07:52

...and you use the pedals for throttle and braking? Is the game that good?
Like driving GPL with handlebars probably would be?? :)

Marc.

> On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:55:08 GMT, "Marc Collins"

> >It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am afraid
I
> >have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

> >Marc.

> I use my Force RS ... BUT .. I increase the x-axis sensitivity
> (massively) with CTFJ ( www.stickworks.com ). It works great
> and turning the wheel feels exactly as if you are leaning the bike.

> Get the demo and get CTFJ (free) and crank up the sensitivity
> of your wheel, using CTFJ.

> Make the CTFJ setting look like this for your wheel:

> ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/users/rrev/sbk-ctfj.gif

> You might like (love) it.

> I do.

> >> To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes, AI
> >> were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure
out,
> >> and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing them.
> >> The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start
of
> >> a race weekend was really neat.

> >> Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of my
> >> opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> >> Nick

by **Patrick Gilmor** » Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:35:41

It is pretty damn good. I would say that it has the best graphics of any
race sim that I have ever seen. Even at high resolution and most options on
I am getting good framerates with a mid-range PC. The physics and handling
are quite good also though as been noted there is the very strange wheelspin
in corners which I hope they fix.

I wish EA would use the SBK2001 developer to create their F1 sims.

> ...and you use the pedals for throttle and braking? Is the game that
good?
> Like driving GPL with handlebars probably would be?? :)

> Marc.

> > On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:55:08 GMT, "Marc Collins"

> > >It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am
afraid
> I
> > >have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

> > >Marc.

> > I use my Force RS ... BUT .. I increase the x-axis sensitivity
> > (massively) with CTFJ ( www.stickworks.com ). It works great
> > and turning the wheel feels exactly as if you are leaning the bike.

> > Get the demo and get CTFJ (free) and crank up the sensitivity
> > of your wheel, using CTFJ.

> > Make the CTFJ setting look like this for your wheel:

> > ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/users/rrev/sbk-ctfj.gif

> > You might like (love) it.

> > I do.

> > >> To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes,
AI
> > >> were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure
> out,
> > >> and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing
them.
> > >> The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the start
> of
> > >> a race weekend was really neat.

> > >> Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of
my
> > >> opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> > >> Nick

by **Laurens de Jon** » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:56:02

>Do you have any idea where I can buy this wheel in the netherlands?

Bought mine at MediaMarkt.

No, it doesn't.

http://www.ducati.it and then look for "Corse," I think.

-Laurens de Jong.

by **Marc Collin** » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:32:12

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear. I meant that using a bike sim that was
really good with a wheel might be like using GPL with a handlebar
controller...once I thought about it, I realised that it would probably
still be a blast and a lot if fun and challenge...albeit a bit strange.

If my choice is to run neither bike sim because I only have a wheel
controller, I am probably depriving myself needlessly.

If I only want to buy one of them...and I am GPL freak who finds even the
physics of NASCAR Heat a bit to tame and am totally satisfied with GPL
graphics at 1280 x 1024 resolution...which one should I get?

Marc.

> On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 02:07:52 GMT, "Marc Collins"

> >...and you use the pedals for throttle and braking? Is the game that
good?
> >Like driving GPL with handlebars probably would be?? :)

> >Marc.

> Marc, that's how I see it. GPL with handlebars, and I would say
> that GP500 from Microprose may even be a bit closer to reality
> than SBK2001 !

> GP500, while not as graphically gorgeous as SBK2001, is a
> FINE F1 bike sim, with lots of add-ons, online leagues, etc..
> Check here: http://www.gp500racing.com/

> Buy SBK2001 here - $35.95 w/free overnight shipping:
> http://www.outpost.com

> Buy GP500 here - $29.90 + 4.99 2-day FedEx shipping :
> http://www.compuexpert.com/html/productinfo/gp500.shtml#

> I bought -both-, from these dealers, spent a grand total of
> $70.94 and am in realistic racing heaven (or hell).. :)
> Mindblowing.

> Both have demos available, but note that the SBK2001 demo
> is locked in some sort of 'braking assist' mode.

> Get both demos and see for yourself. Car sims suddenly
> seem a little tame to me, particularly after the speedy GP500 ..

> ;-)

> >> On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 05:55:08 GMT, "Marc Collins"

> >> >It looks like a great title, but what controller do you use? I am
afraid
> >I
> >> >have nothing that would "fit" the riding experience.

> >> >Marc.

> >> I use my Force RS ... BUT .. I increase the x-axis sensitivity
> >> (massively) with CTFJ ( www.stickworks.com ). It works great
> >> and turning the wheel feels exactly as if you are leaning the bike.

> >> Get the demo and get CTFJ (free) and crank up the sensitivity
> >> of your wheel, using CTFJ.

> >> Make the CTFJ setting look like this for your wheel:

> >> ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/users/rrev/sbk-ctfj.gif

> >> You might like (love) it.

> >> I do.

> >> >> To put it simply, 40 bucks well spent! The graphics, tracks, bikes,
AI
> >> >> were eveything I've wanted in a sim. The Garage was easy to figure
> >out,
> >> >> and I don't even know the first thing about motorcycles or racing
them.
> >> >> The extras were also nice to have, the tour of the track at the
start
> >of
> >> >> a race weekend was really neat.

> >> >> Now if I could just figure out how to stop running into the back of
my
> >> >> opponets, I think I'll be fine!

> >> >> Nick

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