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N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

Thom j

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Thom j » Thu, 31 May 2001 02:33:32

Uncle F,   I forgot I had "DXTweak" from the days I has a TSW2
wheel and a TM Sprint wheel. So I tired it 2am last night but it did
appear to change anything in any great manner but it was also 2am
In DXTweak it tells you your raw settings. Mine are +/-x=0-1024
+/-y=0-1024 but z was/is +/-z=0-255 {z is my gas!}
In the other settings x,y,z were all 0-1024.. I changed z to 0-255
Is this right? If so I did this went into both N4 & GPL and I saw
*no* real change in my steering with my low steer lock!
Finally does DXTweak  have to be in a special place 'i.e. Win98
{my Windows98 folder}Win98\system or Win98\command? as
I do not have it in any of these places and what happens when I
re-boot? Do the dead zone values go back to the default 5% as
they were 5% for x-y when I first opened DXTweak' and I did
change them to 0... Again all help is appreciated!! Tia Thom_j.


|
| >
| > Also when I use many of the hot-setups
| > and have to use my low steer lock I have a wobble in the turns
| > that feel likes it grabs-relaxes grabs-relaxes etc all thru the turn
|
|
| Unless I'm mis-interpreting you here (not impossible for me!), it sure
| sounds like you have a large deadzone.  I think default is 5%, IIRC.
| Yes, try DXTweak & see how you fare then.  I set my deadzones to 0.
|
| --
|
| Fester

Uncle Feste

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Uncle Feste » Thu, 31 May 2001 21:45:14


> Uncle F,   I forgot I had "DXTweak" from the days I has a TSW2
> wheel and a TM Sprint wheel. So I tired it 2am last night but it did
> appear to change anything in any great manner but it was also 2am
> In DXTweak it tells you your raw settings. Mine are +/-x=0-1024
> +/-y=0-1024 but z was/is +/-z=0-255 {z is my gas!}
> In the other settings x,y,z were all 0-1024.. I changed z to 0-255
> Is this right? If so I did this went into both N4 & GPL and I saw
> *no* real change in my steering with my low steer lock!
> Finally does DXTweak  have to be in a special place 'i.e. Win98
> {my Windows98 folder}Win98\system or Win98\command? as
> I do not have it in any of these places and what happens when I
> re-boot? Do the dead zone values go back to the default 5% as
> they were 5% for x-y when I first opened DXTweak' and I did
> change them to 0... Again all help is appreciated!! Tia Thom_j.

I usually just change my deadzones to 0 & that's it.  But if you changed
your z axis from 1025 to 255, you've made your gas pedal more
sensitive.  Although if you're mostly a plate racer (& I suspect you
are) you'd never really notice a difference because the vast majority of
the time your throttle is wide open.  If anything, I'd decrease the #'s
on your steering axis to increase sensitivity to steering inputs.  Dead
zone values stay the same after a bootup too.  Check DXTweak after a
reboot & you'll see they're still at 0.  Good Luck!

--

Fester

Thom j

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Thom j » Thu, 31 May 2001 22:49:10

First thank you for the informative re: Uncle Fester..:o)
Ok, With my TM Ferrari for some reason the Y-axis is only 255 in
all my sims/games that I use the Ferrari wheel in.. Dunno why it just
comes out at 255 on Y-axis..
Now question,  When you say: "If anything, I'd decrease the #'s on
your steering axis to increase sensitivity to steering inputs." Do you
mean change the #s down in "DxTweak."? Is this what you mean?
'i.e. 0-1024 to maybe 0-512 or something? yes?
Finally, Yes I did see that the dead zone stayed at 0 after reboot!
Again thanx for the great info... Please inform on the decrease #s
cuz this might really help my steering. Then maybe I can bring my
lock up? Tia.. Thom_j.

| I usually just change my deadzones to 0 & that's it.  But if you changed
| your z axis from 1025 to 255, you've made your gas pedal more
| sensitive.  Although if you're mostly a plate racer (& I suspect you
| are) you'd never really notice a difference because the vast majority of
| the time your throttle is wide open.  If anything, I'd decrease the #'s
| on your steering axis to increase sensitivity to steering inputs.  Dead
| zone values stay the same after a bootup too.  Check DXTweak after a
| reboot & you'll see they're still at 0.  Good Luck!
| --
| Fester

Uncle Feste

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Uncle Feste » Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:53:23


> First thank you for the informative re: Uncle Fester..:o)
> Ok, With my TM Ferrari for some reason the Y-axis is only 255 in
> all my sims/games that I use the Ferrari wheel in.. Dunno why it just
> comes out at 255 on Y-axis..
> Now question,  When you say: "If anything, I'd decrease the #'s on
> your steering axis to increase sensitivity to steering inputs." Do you
> mean change the #s down in "DxTweak."? Is this what you mean?
> 'i.e. 0-1024 to maybe 0-512 or something? yes?
> Finally, Yes I did see that the dead zone stayed at 0 after reboot!
> Again thanx for the great info... Please inform on the decrease #s
> cuz this might really help my steering. Then maybe I can bring my
> lock up? Tia.. Thom_j.

Yes that is what I mean.  If this proggy works the way I think it does,
decreasing the value should make it more sensitive.  Just pick an
arbitrary # & go from there until you like the feel.  If you can get the
sensitivity up, you should be able to increase the lock.  If DXTweak
can't do it, I know CTFJ can.

--

Fester


> | I usually just change my deadzones to 0 & that's it.  But if you changed
> | your z axis from 1025 to 255, you've made your gas pedal more
> | sensitive.  Although if you're mostly a plate racer (& I suspect you
> | are) you'd never really notice a difference because the vast majority of
> | the time your throttle is wide open.  If anything, I'd decrease the #'s
> | on your steering axis to increase sensitivity to steering inputs.  Dead
> | zone values stay the same after a bootup too.  Check DXTweak after a
> | reboot & you'll see they're still at 0.  Good Luck!
> | --
> | Fester

Thom j

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Thom j » Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:16:00

Great & Thanx again I will do this and if per chance it doesnt
work, What is "CTFJ"?? Tia.. Thom_j.

| Yes that is what I mean.  If this proggy works the way I think it does,
| decreasing the value should make it more sensitive.  Just pick an
| arbitrary # & go from there until you like the feel.  If you can get the
| sensitivity up, you should be able to increase the lock.  If DXTweak
| can't do it, I know CTFJ can.
| --
| Fester

Larr

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Larr » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:52:09

They don't have time to fix their controller code that's causing folks with
current-day, mass-market wheels such as the MSFFW ?

Man, if that ever became true I'd lose any interest in them pronto.

-Larry




> >The problem with FF is at the superspeedways, the wheels are way too
loose
> >on center, and the ratio's provided aren't enough.

> >At 32:1, I can run the whole track with 1/2" to 1" of wheel movement.
It's
> >very difficult to run a straight line with it that sensitive.

> Comparing to GPL(sorry), I have to change the steering ratio on a lot of
setups
> that I've downloaded.  The steering is too sensitive for me, but that's
how the
> hotshoes are able to have that fine edge.  When I change it to 17:1 or
18:1, I
> give up a lot of control that someone who can use 15:1 get.

> >Enabling FF makes it worse due to how loose the wheel is.
> I've never driven a 'home' FF wheel.

> >The controller code in N4 needs serious work.  Telling folks to buy new
> >wheels is NOT a reasonable option.

> >Papy CAN fix this.  The question is, will they ?

> >-Larry

> Doubtful.  How many(as a %age) of people have serious issues that they
can't
> handle?  Is it even financially worthwhile for Papy to spend time on this?
I
> don't think the numbers are that big...

> Eldred
> --
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> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Larr

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Larr » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:52:50

Ok, so I can have a properly functioning wheel as long as I don't want to go
fast and be competitive, right?

Paleaase.

-Larry


> Load the easy setups.  They don't have the pull due to suspension/weight
> issues.


> > Has anyone had a problem with the car pulling to the left so bad that it
is
> > almost impossible to drive. I have re installed the drivers and
recalibrated
> > 5 or 6 times. I just got this wheel today, If I can't fiigure it out I
will
> > take it back tomorrow.

> --
> Jason Monds
> http://www.proracingclub.com - Pro Racing Club! (N4, GPL, Fun Run Sims)
> http://www.racersdomain.com  - Race hosting.
> (Please remove 'no extra spork' when replying)

Larr

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Larr » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:55:16

Yes, FF is disabled and the phony-spring is in effect.

Ratio is at 32:1.

Very little wheel movement can be done due to the sensitivity.  The largest
amount of movement is at the initial turn-in into the corner.  Then it's
down to very small inputs again, and finally back to the right coming out of
the corner.

It really stinks.

-Larry


> Larry you mean 1/2" to 1" of wheel movement with No FFB right?
> Cuz I have 3/4" each way play before feeling anything at 32:1 & it
> suxx!! Way too much play via FF wheels so I must crank the steer
> lock way down. Depending on setup almost 12:1 sometimes. yuk!


> | The problem with FF is at the superspeedways, the wheels are way too
loose
> | on center, and the ratio's provided aren't enough.
> | At 32:1, I can run the whole track with 1/2" to 1" of wheel movement.
> It's
> | very difficult to run a straight line with it that sensitive.
> | Enabling FF makes it worse due to how loose the wheel is.
> | The controller code in N4 needs serious work.  Telling folks to buy new
> | wheels is NOT a reasonable option.
> | Papy CAN fix this.  The question is, will they ?
> | -Larry

Larr

N4 problem with Madcatz andretti racing wheel

by Larr » Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:56:28

Been there, done that.

WHY all this is going on is pretty much known.

Will it ever be fixed?  That's the question.

-Larry



> > Larry you mean 1/2" to 1" of wheel movement with No FFB right?
> > Cuz I have 3/4" each way play before feeling anything at 32:1 & it
> > suxx!! Way too much play via FF wheels so I must crank the steer
> > lock way down. Depending on setup almost 12:1 sometimes. yuk!

> Wow.  What the hell kinda settings you guys running on your wheels??
> I'm running a MSFF & don't have a*** of problem in N4.  I run 32:1 on
> SS. I used DXTweak to set my dead zones to 0, and I have the linearity
> turned to 100%.  Once I tried it at the default 20% & it was
> horrendous.  In the Sidewinder software, under the Settings tab, I have
> deadzone at small & sensitivity at about the "H" in high.  Under the
> Forces tab, I have Force Feedback set to high & Return to Center Tension
> set to low.  Hope this can help somebody, it's hard to believe there
> could be this much trouble with controllers.  (Not calling anybody a
> liar, BTW.)

> --

> Fester


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