rec.autos.simulators

yes, I know. But in N4/N2002 the driving aids didn't make the car faster;
for experienced drivers it was always better without them. In N2003 the
computer really helps the driving, and can make a driver go faster.... with
a setup that cannot be even go round a lap withought spinning without aids!

Oh... I forgot to say that positive camper in RF significantly reduces the
tire wear. That is an example of a straightforward bug when compared to
N4/N2002.

yes, I understand the limitations of consumer games/sims induced by the time
and money (and market!) to make them. Bugs that seriously hamper online
racing and its atmosphere should, however, be corrected.

--
Mika Takala

"We are incorporating components of our superb physics model for the PC with
the Havok physics engine for cross platform development. While our vehicle
model is considered to be the state of the art in the industry, we can
deliver a new level of high octane gameplay by incorporating the complete
Havok physics system. Future titles will benefit from a level of
interactivity not available in other racing titles," said Rich Reily,
General Manager of Papyrus Racing Games.

It's right there, plain as day, they will be using it for future cross
platform racing titles.

Larry

Larry

I still want the damn patch though!

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ed_

Driving aids are not the physics.

Are you sure tyre wear was normal or accellerated in NR2002? -Tyre data is
indeed significantly different between the two versions, but that's just
numbers fed into the model, not the model itself (which stayed largely the
same AFAIK).

The tyres in the sim don't blister or chunk locally, the amount of
punishment exacted is somehow weighed and then translated into a certain
grip level and position of the wear indicator according to a translation
table. I.e. any abuse is distributed across the thread, which, possibly, is
why you (we) don't see the expected decrease in performance.

Like I implied before, the only way to really solve this is to play the game
properly and to only race those who do so as well.

I do think more aspects of the game should be under server control as
discussed on this group, but I also think it's not the developer's
responsibility to fix what ain't broken just because we're too chicken to
really police our races. Throw out exploiters and keep 'm out by using
invite lists, I say. Just isolate those who refuse to play ball with the
majority.

Jan.
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My bad... I'd not realised that paragraph was a continuation rather than a
seperate item.

Jan.
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PS.: so the layout of this news sections sucks too! <g>

        JD

        JD

Larry

Two things:

1) Every time you model something you have to simplify it. Aerodynamics is a
very complex subject that is not fully understood and "modelable",
regardless of how much time you got to calculate effects. Any implementation
in a game is going to be a gross simplification and will ignore all kinds of
spurious effects which annul part of the advantages in real life. Again we
got a case of whether to use RL data to feed the model and live with the
consequences of conditions being "too perfect" or fudging it so it matches
"real life".

2) The player has too much horsepower (when unrestricted) in the game.
Perhaps this translates to restricted running as well?

Jan.
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-Will