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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 11 May 2001 22:24:30

Going back to the original thread. I installed a patch for the Solitude
track. Several of the cars were pitted on the Hay Bales at the back end of
pit lane) But now when a race starts, the car on the right lane of the
first row takes off onto the grass to the right. Because there is a guard
rail just past where he swerves away..he gets trapped just up beyond the
first turn after crawling along up to a house.
dave henrie
same kind of problem from the sound of it.

> > The thing is, you can't ship a product and expect 100% of the customers
to
> > be satisfied. That is the basic of *** development, one of the
> > fundamental rule developers agree with.

> I'm not sure the developers agree on this, but I do know that the "suits"
> (read: publishers) *live* by these rules.. and they will continue doing
so
> as long as we - the suckers - accept it. Heck, it will probably get even
> worse in the future.

> The big problem with all software tho.. is that we - the customers -
gladly
> accept whatever is thrown at us - without really having any knowledge
about
> what's going on. We put our trust and lives in products that has been
> developed without ANY warranties, gurantees or set standards.

> *Anyone* can setup a company and start coding programs is he/she feel like
> it.... without *ANY* requirements with regards to skill, [goverment]
> standards, or "policing".

> Can you *really* trust the guy that code your anti-virus software? - Or
even
> worse.. how about the company that made your accounting systems? Or what
> about the CAD-system - your life and bread - you use at work... is that
> made to any standards?

> Aslong as we accept this and the publishers/developers are making money -
I
> find it hard to believe that the industry will change.

> --
> ed_
> --
> Note!
> Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail
> mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> Eat this - suckers!

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 11 May 2001 23:09:34

<snip>

What and EXCELLENT idea :)
Too bad that 'is your computer safe' spammer is using a fake email :(

Andre

by **ymenar** » Fri, 11 May 2001 23:26:49

> By comparison, if you look at some other games, the N4 patch was really
> fairly small. It was what, less than 5 mb? Hell, I've seen 15-20 mb
patches
> just to fix major problems with other releases.

Hell, I've seen 75+mb patches for some games!!!! :)

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by **Andre Warrin** » Sat, 12 May 2001 00:04:24

>> By comparison, if you look at some other games, the N4 patch was really
>> fairly small. It was what, less than 5 mb? Hell, I've seen 15-20 mb
>patches
>> just to fix major problems with other releases.

>Hell, I've seen 75+mb patches for some games!!!! :)

Yeah, the update for GP2 was even about 400mb!!

Andre

by **Marc Collin** » Sat, 12 May 2001 02:21:28

Yes I do, as a matter of fact. Papy has fallen well down the ladder in the
thoroughness of their testing of late. It's painfully obvious. They used
to be number 1 by a wide margin. Now they are just like the rest.

Marc.

> Marc,

> Do you know what is involved in getting things done in a patch? Any
> possiblity there could have been more pressing things to fix at first?
> Giving Papy's history, unlike some other developers, I feel very confident
> they will continue to do nothing but improve N4 for everyone.
> Of course, no developer will ever please 100% of the people 100% of the
> time. There are some that probably simply should move on to something
else.

> --
> Don Burnette
> D Burnette in N4

> Some people do nothing wrong.
> The problem is, they do nothing.
> And THAT is wrong.

> > How could they not know about that (gigantically obvious) issue by now?
> We
> > need to cross post the other 150 issues that seem to have escaped the
> > testers again.

> > Marc.

> > > From what others have posted here that is one of the next issues
they
> > are
> > > going to tackle.(the Daytona cars running onto the grass.)
> > > You should cross post this on the Sierra board for N4 and hopefully
> Eric
> > B
> > > or another Papy employee will pass it along.
> > > dave henrie

> > > > I've been getting to grips with Nascar. I've only run a car at
Daytona
> > and
> > > > have been doing pretty well.

by **Marc Collin** » Sat, 12 May 2001 02:23:04

And despite me agreeing with you, I am a big jackass for contributing to the
problem. I picked up F1RC two weeks ago based on Ubi's promise of a patch.
I knew of the problems, but bought it anyway...what a sucker!!

Marc.

> > The thing is, you can't ship a product and expect 100% of the customers
to
> > be satisfied. That is the basic of *** development, one of the
> > fundamental rule developers agree with.

> I'm not sure the developers agree on this, but I do know that the "suits"
> (read: publishers) *live* by these rules.. and they will continue doing
so
> as long as we - the suckers - accept it. Heck, it will probably get even
> worse in the future.

> The big problem with all software tho.. is that we - the customers -
gladly
> accept whatever is thrown at us - without really having any knowledge
about
> what's going on. We put our trust and lives in products that has been
> developed without ANY warranties, gurantees or set standards.

> *Anyone* can setup a company and start coding programs is he/she feel like
> it.... without *ANY* requirements with regards to skill, [goverment]
> standards, or "policing".

> Can you *really* trust the guy that code your anti-virus software? - Or
even
> worse.. how about the company that made your accounting systems? Or what
> about the CAD-system - your life and bread - you use at work... is that
> made to any standards?

> Aslong as we accept this and the publishers/developers are making money -
I
> find it hard to believe that the industry will change.

> --
> ed_
> --
> Note!
> Return address is *not* my own - but the e-mail address to an e-mail
> mass-distribution company that have bothered me one time to many!
> Eat this - suckers!

by **Thom j** » Sat, 12 May 2001 02:24:16

I just hope Sierra aka Papyrus addresses their "degrade" instead of
"upgrade" via online.. The connects, spikes, latency quality etc.. are
becoming worse daily. The new Point Rating System is worse too..
{as stated in prior post} Thom_j.

| Yeah, the update for GP2 was even about 400mb!!
|
| Andre

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 12 May 2001 03:35:39

I was just about to ask the same thing

My connections online have not changed at all since the patch

> >Sadly go online. The patch seems worse there!! Poor Rating Pts now.
> >Getting ICs when hit in the rear by an over zealous racer & even on a
> >pace lap too..phew.. Then now the Latency & Quality are a 100-fold
> >worse then before the patch & much more... I never encountered any
> >patch that degraded a sim' before but this seems to be the case in N4.
> >What next?....Thom_j.

> Thom, I never heard of these after-patch problems from anyone else,
> I'm surprised.. L&Q a 100-fold worse? I certainly don't have that
> problem after the patch.. are you sure it's because of the patch?
> Maybe you have general connection problems now?

> Andre

> ><snipped>

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 12 May 2001 03:37:54

As mentioned above Thom, you are the only person I have heard talk about
problems online after the patch.

My connections have not changed

> I just hope Sierra aka Papyrus addresses their "degrade" instead of
> "upgrade" via online.. The connects, spikes, latency quality etc.. are
> becoming worse daily. The new Point Rating System is worse too..
> {as stated in prior post} Thom_j.

> | Yeah, the update for GP2 was even about 400mb!!
> |
> | Andre

by **Thom j** » Sat, 12 May 2001 04:01:28

In my reply post to Andre: Cliff I do hope its me but it seems for some
strange reason the "East Coast Mid-Atlantic" Region are encountering
this problem frequently now... I can only guess but it maybe within our
bandwidth allocation or a problem with our areas cable?
I am trying some new 'configurations' via a site Ron A referred me to
and hopefully this will clear my problem up but many in NY Lobby 1
{in my/our area} have complained too.. "O" well it will be fixed even
if I have to drag my cable company's techs out to fix it!! Grrrrr...lol
Cheers Thom_j.

| As mentioned above Thom, you are the only person I have heard talk about
| problems online after the patch.
|
| My connections have not changed
<snipped>

by **Cliff Roma** » Sat, 12 May 2001 04:43:47

If it is location specific, then it is definately something ISP related.

I can tell you though that I personally have not seen any problems. I hope
you get it figured out.. I just went though a phase where I could not race
online cause of my ISP problems and it sucks trying to get everything fixed.

> In my reply post to Andre: Cliff I do hope its me but it seems for some
> strange reason the "East Coast Mid-Atlantic" Region are encountering
> this problem frequently now... I can only guess but it maybe within our
> bandwidth allocation or a problem with our areas cable?
> I am trying some new 'configurations' via a site Ron A referred me to
> and hopefully this will clear my problem up but many in NY Lobby 1
> {in my/our area} have complained too.. "O" well it will be fixed even
> if I have to drag my cable company's techs out to fix it!! Grrrrr...lol
> Cheers Thom_j.

> | As mentioned above Thom, you are the only person I have heard talk
about
> | problems online after the patch.
> |
> | My connections have not changed
> <snipped>

by **Thom j** » Sat, 12 May 2001 05:05:17

This maybe a fact Cliff? I'm waiting for one of my 'huge backup tapes' to
be re-formatted and I will go thru every scenario and try to find out if
it's
me, my ISP or Nascar's online setup. It appears now with all the replies,
sadly, it is very plausible it is on my end!!
Thank you for you input.. Also thank you one & all who have replied to
my odd'ball N4 online problem too!
Cheers Thom_j.

| If it is location specific, then it is definately something ISP related.
|
| I can tell you though that I personally have not seen any problems. I
hope
| you get it figured out.. I just went though a phase where I could not race
| online cause of my ISP problems and it sucks trying to get everything
fixed.
<snipped>

by **ymenar** » Sat, 12 May 2001 06:56:59

> >Hell, I've seen 75+mb patches for some games!!!! :)

> Yeah, the update for GP2 was even about 400mb!!

/me is laughing out loud for real ;-)

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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-- http://www.ymenard.com/
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by **dirk simpso** » Sat, 12 May 2001 09:25:44

No That wasn't a patch. it was GP3

> >> By comparison, if you look at some other games, the N4 patch was really
> >> fairly small. It was what, less than 5 mb? Hell, I've seen 15-20 mb
> >patches
> >> just to fix major problems with other releases.

> >Hell, I've seen 75+mb patches for some games!!!! :)

> Yeah, the update for GP2 was even about 400mb!!

> Andre

by **dirk simpso** » Sat, 12 May 2001 09:51:04

with a good game,why couldn't it just have been worked on a bit longer so
its good out of the box,as promised in the advertising and on the box.no
other companies are allowed to get away with this sort of behavior.

I understand how people feel, you want to play the game now not in six
months and we are an extremly impatient bunch,half the 'fun' of playing
computer games is that there is always somthing new around the
corner,unfortunatly this tendancy is bieng exploited by games publishers.we
just seem to go along with it and accept it.

If your favorite band released a CD with a few tracks containing no Bass or
drums or whatever with the promise that in 6 months or whenever they would
release the patched version with all the tracks completed would you buy the
CD now or in 6 months???..you'd think they were taking the piss, well I
would anyway,but I'm me and can't really speak for you.

I love GPL but I cant wait for WORLD SPORTS CARS to come out. I dont care
how long it takes them as long as its good (for me) and it works with no
hassle. waiting 6 -12 months for a game to attain a playable status kind of
takes the shine off it a lot, especialy if you have been looking forward to
playing it for 18+ months .

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