rec.autos.simulators

by **anon** » Sat, 18 May 2002 07:49:49

It seems that Codemasters have managed to make a clean sweep of all the
licences I enjoy - BTCC back in '97ish, the Aussie V8's etc, and have
spectacularly failed to deliver anything worth playing. When I first heard
about TOCA Touring Car Championship I was sooooo e***d - finally a game on
one of the most fantastic motor sports! I can finally race on Donington and
Brands Hatch in a Laguna, just like Alain Menu! Oh, but you see, I can't.
Why, I hear you cry? Because they made a pants game and passed it off as
arcade. You retards! And now TOCA Race Driver / Pro Race Driver / V8 Race
Driver and whatever else they are calling it worldwide is pants as well!
Look at our revolutionary crash dynamics! It's a shame they left in the AI
for their damage presentation instead of putting the 'real' AI back in. It's
a shame that such a revolutionary concept of storylines in racing games is
debuting in this game. But mostly, it's a shame that 'arcade' handling
nowadays means "our quick-and-dirty movement code for checking if the tracks
looked okay, which could possibly be a simulation of a hover craft or
something, but we doubt it because it would be shocking if our coders could
simulate anything whatsoever." Arcade is just easier for the gamer than
simulation, not a whole new control method! You jerks! All you arcade racing
game coders out there (Codemasters, most of EA, Geoff Crammond :-), why
don't you stop trying to make maximum money out of minimum effort, and make
a proper race game? I definitely don't want all race games to be
simulations, but just have some relevance to reality. Is that too much to
ask?

Come to think of it, Codemasters seem to be the David Coulthard of race sim
coders - always have the best cars, always fail to deliver*.

* that is an _opinion_. It is my _opinion_. If you think DC or Codemasters
are fantastic, then that is up to you. You will not change my _opinion_ by
flaming me about how DC overtook Michael Schumacher once in his career, so
don't even bother. If you are outraged, send your flames to

PS//
:-)

by **Haqsa** » Sat, 18 May 2002 08:30:22

What are you babbling about? The game has not been released, and the
one available demo has been acknowledged by Codemasters to have been an
early, un-optimized build whose sole purpose was to show people what the
game would look like. Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but it's
not a valid opinion if it's not based on anything but heresay. Wait
until the game comes out, then you can whine all you want.

> It seems that Codemasters have managed to make a clean sweep of all
the
> licences I enjoy - BTCC back in '97ish, the Aussie V8's etc, and have
> spectacularly failed to deliver anything worth playing. When I first
heard
> about TOCA Touring Car Championship I was sooooo e***d - finally a
game on
> one of the most fantastic motor sports! I can finally race on
Donington and
> Brands Hatch in a Laguna, just like Alain Menu! Oh, but you see, I
can't.
> Why, I hear you cry? Because they made a pants game and passed it off
as
> arcade. You retards! And now TOCA Race Driver / Pro Race Driver / V8
Race
> Driver and whatever else they are calling it worldwide is pants as
well!
> Look at our revolutionary crash dynamics! It's a shame they left in
the AI
> for their damage presentation instead of putting the 'real' AI back
in. It's
> a shame that such a revolutionary concept of storylines in racing
games is
> debuting in this game. But mostly, it's a shame that 'arcade' handling
> nowadays means "our quick-and-dirty movement code for checking if the
tracks
> looked okay, which could possibly be a simulation of a hover craft or
> something, but we doubt it because it would be shocking if our coders
could
> simulate anything whatsoever." Arcade is just easier for the gamer
than
> simulation, not a whole new control method! You jerks! All you arcade
racing
> game coders out there (Codemasters, most of EA, Geoff Crammond :-),
why
> don't you stop trying to make maximum money out of minimum effort, and
make
> a proper race game? I definitely don't want all race games to be
> simulations, but just have some relevance to reality. Is that too much
to
> ask?

> Come to think of it, Codemasters seem to be the David Coulthard of
race sim
> coders - always have the best cars, always fail to deliver*.

> * that is an _opinion_. It is my _opinion_. If you think DC or
Codemasters
> are fantastic, then that is up to you. You will not change my
_opinion_ by
> flaming me about how DC overtook Michael Schumacher once in his
career, so
> don't even bother. If you are outraged, send your flames to

> PS//
> :-)

by **Joe Marque** » Sat, 18 May 2002 13:16:06

Perhaps it was a Freudian moment when you spelled "hearsay" as heresay since
that spelling is actually closer to the word *heresy* which may be an even
more appropriate description of the original post. ;0)

--
Joe Marques

by **Nick** » Sun, 19 May 2002 07:00:54

I think the crash dynamics are a part of what the demo was trying to show
off, so I don't think they will change much. Nor will the control system,
which is what the original post was about. I don't think optimization will
cure any of that, but neither will shouting off at a newsgroup about it...

Nick.

by **Mark Seer** » Mon, 20 May 2002 20:27:15

Yes you are entitled to your opinion, but it's

It's not an opinion at all if it has to be annonymous. Don't feed the trolls
:-)

MS

by **Haqsa** » Tue, 21 May 2002 00:32:17

LOL! Yeah I guess I kind of took the bait and ran with it didn't I?

rec.autos.simulators

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?

Codemasters: the David Coulthard of sim coders?