rec.autos.simulators

by **Ron Ayto** » Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Just though i would mention i am running a P150 at present with GPL and
using an old ISA SoundBlaster 16 sound card.
I get an average of 20 to 25fps in practice mode by myself with the
above setup. (that also includes a voodoo 2)
I tried a mates PCI soundcard, and wow what a difference to my frame
rates. With the PCI soundcard installed i got a whole 20 to 25fps in
practice mode compared to 20 to 25fps with my old ISA card.
Plus i get no compatability problems with my old ISA SB16, at all.
Just though you may be interested Trev....
Cheers,
Ron

> > For example... I have an awe 64 pci...

> > GPL with an old sb 16 isa... about 25 fps
> > with new 64 PCI... about 32-33...

> > the same is for the others games... 7-8 fps increase

> > Bye!
> > Cristiano

> Is this with no other changes? Only the ISA to PCI soundcard change?
It
> sounds like a rather large framerate increase and would surely be
> noticable :).

> Trev

by **Larr** » Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:00

I would love to read some text on why you think this is...

Really...

-Larry

by **Thomas Enterprise** » Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> As I have said before I saw a 22% framerate improvement in F15 simply by
> replacing my ISA soundcard with a PCI card.

> --

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> cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

Greg,

Sounds like the Creative SB128 PCI I got was a wise choice then :)

Trev

by **Greg Cisk** » Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>: The suggestions that an ISA soundcard wil slow down your gamin are
>: ludicrous. Its just not so.

I saw a 22%increase in F-15 by replacine my ISA soundcard with
and AudioCPI.

The part about the SBPCI64 is total bullshit. If the card has the 1370
Ensoniq chipset it will kick serious ass. Even in DOS.

What fool would advocate an AWE of any type???? Ya you sure
know *** soundcards alright.

Wow.

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by **Troy A Nol** » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

: I would love to read some text on why you think this is...

: Really...

: -Larry

: > : Besides the PCI 64 and PCI 128 Sound blasters are junk,

: I dont have any text to prove the fact, but I owned a PCI 64 SB and I
: was VERY dissapointed to say the least. I have never OWNED a PCI 128,
: but my parents' computer has one and I was not impressed AT ALL.
: I sold my PCI 64 to a friend and put my AWE 32 back in until I
: had the dough to get an AWE 64 GOLD. I am not looking back.
: the AWE 64 has MIDI wavetable in HARDWARE, not software emulation,
: show me a SB PCI card that does that, the closest ive seen to the MIDI
: performance was a PCI Turtle Beach sound card (dont remember the model).
:
: to the person that said his FPS rise by 8-10 FPS JUST BY changing to a
: PCI sound card, I call BULLSHIT!
: I would have top see that to believe it.
: -Troy
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by **Matthias Fla** » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

I replaced my Terratec Base 1 (ISA) with a Terratec 128i (PCI) to get
a ISA-free system.
Maybe steering wheel control improved a little, but no difference in
framerate in GPL.

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by **Jim Sokolof** » Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> 2) If you have a PCI graphics card like Voodoo2, then the PCI
> bus will get flooded with textures and it may be an idea to
> put others devices on the ISA and USB buses to spread the load.

Except that the data on the ISA bus probably goes over the PCI bus to
"get to" the ISA bus or USB connector...

---Jim

by **Todd A Norbur** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> > As I have said before I saw a 22% framerate improvement in F15 simply by
> > replacing my ISA soundcard with a PCI card.

> > --

> > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

> > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> Greg,

> Sounds like the Creative SB128 PCI I got was a wise choice then :)

> Trev

Trev,

do you have any problems with the sound in GPL? I just upgraded to the SB
128PCI and sometimes the sound is a bit crackily!

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by **Ronald Stoe** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> > > As I have said before I saw a 22% framerate improvement in F15 simply by
> > > replacing my ISA soundcard with a PCI card.

> > > --

> > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

> > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

> > Greg,

> > Sounds like the Creative SB128 PCI I got was a wise choice then :)

> > Trev

> Trev,

> do you have any problems with the sound in GPL? I just upgraded to the SB
> 128PCI and sometimes the sound is a bit crackily!

My SB 128PCI is sitting in the drawer because of the terrible noise it made
in GPL. Now I have the SB Live!, and it's the best soundcard I ever owned.

l8er
ronny

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by **Bart Westr** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>> > As I have said before I saw a 22% framerate improvement in F15 simply
by
>> > replacing my ISA soundcard with a PCI card.

>> > --

>> > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.

>> > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com

>> Greg,

>> Sounds like the Creative SB128 PCI I got was a wise choice then :)

>> Trev

>Trev,

>do you have any problems with the sound in GPL? I just upgraded to the SB
>128PCI and sometimes the sound is a bit crackily!

Before you buy another card, try decreasing the Hardware acceleration
setting that you find in Control Panel - Multimedia - Audio - Playback -
Advanced Properties - Performance. I set it at basic acceleration for my
SB64PCI. Before I lowered it GPL engines sounded distorted, especially the
Ferrari.

Bart Westra

by **Cyril Montaille** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

Try http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/6051/
There is a solution for PCI128 problems with GPL

> Trev,

> do you have any problems with the sound in GPL? I just upgraded to the SB
> 128PCI and sometimes the sound is a bit crackily!

> --
> Todd Norbury

> SLONG GPL
> www.ozemail.com.au/~norbtech

> Seeya in the pits. Make sure there's a cold beer when I get back.

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by **Thomas Enterprise** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> Before you buy another card, try decreasing the Hardware acceleration
> setting that you find in Control Panel - Multimedia - Audio - Playback -
> Advanced Properties - Performance. I set it at basic acceleration for my
> SB64PCI. Before I lowered it GPL engines sounded distorted, especially the
> Ferrari.

> Bart Westra

Bart, this is exactly what I'm hearing in GPL, ever since I got it the
sound of the Ferrari has been especially irritating. I havent used the
new computer I just built yet, the one with W98 and the SB128PCI card in
it.

This machine has an ISA AWE32 in it and I looked at control panel in W95
but couldnt find the setting you mentioned, I have nothing called
"performance" unless I missed it. Under "advanced properties" I only
have a list of devices and doubleclicking the audio brings up a choice
of using audio features on this device or not and also do not map
through this device.

Am I missing something?

Trev

by **Bart Westr** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

>> Before you buy another card, try decreasing the Hardware acceleration
>> setting that you find in Control Panel - Multimedia - Audio - Playback -
>> Advanced Properties - Performance. I set it at basic acceleration for my
>> SB64PCI. Before I lowered it GPL engines sounded distorted, especially
the
>> Ferrari.

>> Bart Westra

>Bart, this is exactly what I'm hearing in GPL, ever since I got it the
>sound of the Ferrari has been especially irritating. I havent used the
>new computer I just built yet, the one with W98 and the SB128PCI card in
>it.

>This machine has an ISA AWE32 in it and I looked at control panel in W95
>but couldnt find the setting you mentioned, I have nothing called
>"performance" unless I missed it. Under "advanced properties" I only
>have a list of devices and doubleclicking the audio brings up a choice
>of using audio features on this device or not and also do not map
>through this device.

>Am I missing something?

>Trev

No. My old machine has W95 and an ISA AWE64, and looks just like you
describe. You will find the settings I mentioned on your new machine. I
believe they are provided by the SB64/128 driver.
There seems to be another way to deal with the problem: take apart the
sound.dat file, lower the volume of the engine, and put it back together. I
do not know the details how to do this, but they will be on one of the GPL
sites for sure.

Regards
Bart Westra

by **Tom Hanse** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

This is correct. There is a piece of hardware in all common motherboards
called the PCI ro ISA bridge that connects the two. There is absolutely no
benefit to using ISA adapters as far as offloading the bus. All you will
accomplish is to wait-state the CPU while accessing the ISA card - which is
no big deal for sound. But if you use the on-board game port - it will have
an effect on game play.
/TomH

ps. Hi Jim !

by **Thomas Enterprise** » Sun, 17 Jan 1999 04:00:00

> No. My old machine has W95 and an ISA AWE64, and looks just like you
> describe. You will find the settings I mentioned on your new machine. I
> believe they are provided by the SB64/128 driver.
> There seems to be another way to deal with the problem: take apart the
> sound.dat file, lower the volume of the engine, and put it back together. I
> do not know the details how to do this, but they will be on one of the GPL
> sites for sure.

> Regards
> Bart Westra

Thanks very much for the info Bart, the Ferrari is unusable right now
because of the terrible scratchiness.

Trev

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