rec.autos.simulators

>: Were they on about the horses or the riders? Far more horses get
>: killed in those "events" than the occasional rider (which is
>: sort of unfair, all things considered).

>  Sure - but you should see the stats for horses driving in motor-races.
>Now that's dangerous :-)

>Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have
>them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to
>help you with the chair movements. ;)

>Al Gardner

>>I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent
>>lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and
>some
>>poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the
>>vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes
>have
>>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort.

>>P!

>>>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have
>>>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off
>>>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped
>>>them become one with their risotto-mobiles.

>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a
>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2)
>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've
>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types,
>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***.
>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
>>>Epping road.

>>>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes
>>>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312.
>>>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive.

>>>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of
>>>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the
>>>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal
>>>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do
>>>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying
>>>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are
>>>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners
>>>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful
>>>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle
>>>left corner.

>>>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners
>>>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a
>>>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner
>>>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL
>>>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a
>>>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should
>>>make L-Platers give this a go.

>>>T.

>> That's why you get your brothers or friends in on it and take turns holding
>> the chair up!

>> Knock the legs off a chair and nail two sets of 2x4s to the bottom and have
>> them protrude about four feet from either side. You'll need two people to
>> help you with the chair movements. ;)

>> Al Gardner

>>>I find that they help with response times and learning to pick half decent
>>>lines but, IMHO, they offer no real feedback i.e you get the visual and
>> some
>>>poor replica via a force feed back wheel and the sound is OK but the
>>>vibration, g force and general feel are not their i.e you know the brakes
>> have
>>>locked when the tyres squeal not by the sudden loss of braking effort.

>>>P!

>>>>I know this is a fairly controversial topic. Others have
>>>>come onto the driving orientated n/g's and spouted off
>>>>about how their little stints on Gran Turismo has helped
>>>>them become one with their risotto-mobiles.

>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a
>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2)
>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've
>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types,
>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really ***.
>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
>>>>Epping road.

>>>>Nurburgring is a concentration puzzle; all 9 - 12 minutes
>>>>of it, esp. at the wheel of a loose-as-goose Ferrari 312.
>>>>8:45 is a dream as far as I can drive.

>>>>I can do it just under 10 minutes which is a miracle of
>>>>45 minutes of staring at the tube wondering which of the
>>>>174 corners I'm taking right now. 45 minutes is equal
>>>>to about 4 laps btw of which only *one* of which would do
>>>>me proud. The others would be 12+ minute snoozers. Saying
>>>>that, even slowish 10-11 minute drives on the 'ring are
>>>>a lot of fun. A whole bunch of 2-3-4'th gear corners
>>>>strung together. And the long end straight is wonderful
>>>>esp. how you have to lift of in top to make that gentle
>>>>left corner.

>>>>I look really long down roads and plan two or three corners
>>>>ahead. I take some hazy corners very carefully looking for a
>>>>run off area. Basically I think before I dive into a corner
>>>>which is not how I used to do it before. This occurs in GPL
>>>>and in real life. A game about 1967 F1 cars has made me a
>>>>more careful driver in real life. Amazing. They should
>>>>make L-Platers give this a go.

>>>>T.

>>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a
>>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2)
>>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've
>>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types,
>>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really
***.
>>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
>>>>>Epping road.

>Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth?
>Sam, Portland, Oregon

> Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars!

> Al Gardner

> >>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a
> >>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2)
> >>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've
> >>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types,
> >>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really
> ***.
> >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
> >>>>>Epping road.

> >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth?
> >Sam, Portland, Oregon

>> Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars!

>> Al Gardner

>>> >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
>> >>>>>Epping road.

>> >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth?
>> >Sam, Portland, Oregon

>> He's AAALLLL the way in the Garden state of Victoria, Australia!

>> Welcome to AUS(tralian).cars!

>> Al Gardner

>> >>>>>Well I've been hard at GPL for quite some time. I use a
>> >>>>>fastish PC (Celeron 464Mhz + Voodoo2 12Mb SLI + Thrustmaster T2)
>> >>>>>and GPL is much, *much* harder to drive than any real car I've
>> >>>>>driven. Admittedly I've only ever driven v8 sedans of both types,
>> >>>>>a Porsche 911 once and some hi-po Japanese coupes; hardly really
>> ***.
>> >>>>>GPL demands more of my brain matter than a swift cruise on
>> >>>>>Epping road.

>> >Epping Road?? Are you in Herts. near Harlow or Sawbridgeworth?
>> >Sam, Portland, Oregon

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>>I like Donkey Kong the best, the handling is just brilliant :) With the
>>added bonus of being able to ram the small lighter guys off the road.

>Sounds like my 125 :-)