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LCD monitor

Steve Smit

LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:55:54

CRT monitors "can't" be repaired either.  That is, replacing the tube is
invariably more expensive than replacing the whole thing.  I had a lovely
Sony 21" CRT die after less than 2 years.  (OTOH, I've had a 21" NEC for 5
years.)

Did anybody mention dead pixels?  Most manufacturers won't replace under
warranty if there's less than 3-5, which is very visible and hugely
irritating.  But the QC is getting better.  The last 4 LCD buys I've been
involved in showed NO dead pixels.

The biggest issue for gamers is picture quality (tons better w. a CRT) and
response time (every LCD I've seen shows some blurring...a big issue if you
play 3d-centric games like auto racing and FPSs).

That said, I won't go back.  As my CRTs die, they're being replaced by LCDs,
which just get better and better, cheaper and cheaper.


> And don't forget about backlights and the astonishing repair cost if they
go
> out.

> Backlights are the 'dirty little secret' of the LCD industry.

> Don't think you can replace a $20 lamp.  No, you have to replace the
entire
> panel at a cost usually greater than the cost of the Monitor itself.

> What makes it so bad there is no physical reason for this.

> -Larry



> > >>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time,

> > > And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the
> > > response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response
> > > time.

> > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise.  The only
> areas
> > that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power
consumption
> &
> > geometry.  I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I
can't
> > find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the
> same
> > time a decent response time.  You really notice an LCD's shortcomings
when
> > watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in
> those
> > scenes on an LCD screen.

Steve Smit

LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:59:02

They're still messing w. "shallow" CRTs for television.  They have
image-qual issues.  Prob is, the deflection angles are acute when the tube
is shallow.  It's like that machine-gun that shoots around corners the
Germans tried in WW II.  It just isn't very accurate.




> >Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise.  The only
areas
> >that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power consumption
&
> >geometry.  I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their convenience but I
can't
> >find one that has contrast even remotely comparable to a CRT and at the
same
> >time a decent response time.  You really notice an LCD's shortcomings
when
> >watching a DVD with lots or dark scenes - you can't see any detail in
those
> >scenes on an LCD screen.

> Yea, I bought a Samsung LCD and after one year I went out and bought
> another CRT monitor because the contrast ratio bugged me. I now use
> the LCD on my  weaker second PC and use the CRT on my *** PC. I
> hear some company has designed a CRT monitor that is only 13" in
> depth, that might offer the best compromise for someone who wants a
> slimish monitor and a good quality image.

Steve Smit

LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:28:12




> this is the one I am waiting on.

> The Hyundai ImageQuest L90D+ has an industry leading ultra-fast 8ms
response
> time making it perfect for blur-free video and ***. With it's 700:1
> contrast ratio and excellent viewing angle their is no other TFT/LCD that
> can match the quality and performance of Hyundai's latest L90D+ LCD
Monitor.

> - 8ms Response Time
> - 0.294mm of Pixels Pitch
> - 700:1 Contrast Ratio
> - 300 CDm2 Brightness
> - 150/ 135 (h./v.) Viewing Angles
> - frequency range 31 to 80kHz horizontal and 56 to 75Hz vertically
> - Automatic Picture Synchronisation
> - 1280 x 1024 with 60Hz recommended resolution
> - 16.7 million colors display
> - Dual inputs: D-Sub and DVI-D signal input
> - DVI cable included
> - integrated loudspeaker (2ch x 2 Watts RMS)
> - headphone connection
> - TCO 03
> - Kensington ready
> - Integrated power pack (Saving more desk space)
> - 3 years on-site warranty



> >>>I use a BENQ FP937S which has a 12ms response time,

> >> And I bet it only displays 8bit color. That's how they get the
> >> response timing down usually. Less colors to display = faster response
> >> time.

> > Everything about the LCD world seems to be about compromise.  The only
> > areas that they can beat a CRT conclusively are size, weight, power
> > consumption & geometry.  I'd dearly love to buy an LCD for their
> > convenience but I can't find one that has contrast even remotely
> > comparable to a CRT and at the same time a decent response time.  You
> > really notice an LCD's shortcomings when watching a DVD with lots or
dark
> > scenes - you can't see any detail in those scenes on an LCD screen.

John Simmon

LCD monitor

by John Simmon » Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:44:18



That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus).

The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper).

I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and
it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US.  It's also on pre-order status
there, with an expected availablity date of "early December".

John Simmon

LCD monitor

by John Simmon » Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:47:10






That one isn't the Plus version either.  Look at the response time -  
25ms...
Ian

LCD monitor

by Ian » Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:10:40




> > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher.

> That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus).

> The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper).

> I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and
> it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US.  It's also on pre-order status
> there, with an expected availablity date of "early December".

With current exchange rates, 395.00 (GBP) is $748.21 (USD).

Ian P

Steve Smit

LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:18:09

Oopsies - sorreeee!




> > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher.

> That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus).

> The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper).

> I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and
> it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US.  It's also on pre-order status
> there, with an expected availablity date of "early December".

John Simmon

LCD monitor

by John Simmon » Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:30:39







> > > Au contraire. $380 is dirt cheap compared to almost any other 19-incher.

> > That's *not* the L90D+ - it's the L90D (no plus).

> > The L90D has a lower contrast and higher response time (and is cheaper).

> > I haven't seen the price on the L90D+ except for overclockers.uk, and
> > it's 395 pounds which is about $525 US.  It's also on pre-order status
> > there, with an expected availablity date of "early December".

> With current exchange rates, 395.00 (GBP) is $748.21 (USD).

> Ian P

my bad...

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