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LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

Larr

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by Larr » Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:30:32

A primary complaint about Product activation...

Microsoft has said "it won't be a problem" but we'll see...

-Larry


> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:34:26 GMT, JM

> One XP issue I haven't seen mentioned here... With Windows 98, the
> fact that Microsoft stops supporting it doesn't mean you can't
> continue to use it for another 10 years if you're capable of
> installing it on new machines and acquiring some kind of working
> drivers.

> In the future (probably 5 years or so), when MS drops XP support,
> you're going to be hosed. Sure, you'll be able to use your existing
> install for as long as you want -until the time you want to migrate to
> a piece of hardware that triggers Microsofts registration process.
> Then you'll most likely find they won't be issuing any more serial
> numbers because support has ceased.
> Forget putting it on a new machine. Unless you're using a hacked
> version, it will truly be a dead OS.

Larr

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by Larr » Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:32:18

Mitch,

That's not his point...

When you reinstall Windows XP, you have to go through it's "Product
Activation".  In the future when Microsoft ceases to support XP, they can
effectively FORCE every XP user on the planet (except corporate users) to
upgrade.  If they turn off "Product Activation" approvals, it's all over.

-Larry


> MS doesnt issue a License, you purchase it.  When you register XP your
> profile is created for the License YOU own.  So long as you dont try to
> register the same License 100's of times it won't even show on MS radar
> and you can use it indefinitely.

> Mitch

> <<<<---- Posted using Pineapple News for BeOS ---->>>>


> > In the future (probably 5 years or so), when MS drops XP support,
> > you're going to be hosed. Sure, you'll be able to use your existing
> > install for as long as you want -until the time you want to migrate to
> > a piece of hardware that triggers Microsofts registration process.
> > Then you'll most likely find they won't be issuing any more serial
> > numbers because support has ceased.
> > Forget putting it on a new machine. Unless you're using a hacked
> > version, it will truly be a dead OS.

RM

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by RM » Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:23:30

Couldnt they simply "lifetime activate" it somehow? Or leave a server that
activates any legit key given it?


> Mitch,

> That's not his point...

> When you reinstall Windows XP, you have to go through it's "Product
> Activation".  In the future when Microsoft ceases to support XP, they can
> effectively FORCE every XP user on the planet (except corporate users) to
> upgrade.  If they turn off "Product Activation" approvals, it's all over.

> -Larry



> > MS doesnt issue a License, you purchase it.  When you register XP your
> > profile is created for the License YOU own.  So long as you dont try to
> > register the same License 100's of times it won't even show on MS radar
> > and you can use it indefinitely.

> > Mitch

> > <<<<---- Posted using Pineapple News for BeOS ---->>>>


> > > In the future (probably 5 years or so), when MS drops XP support,
> > > you're going to be hosed. Sure, you'll be able to use your existing
> > > install for as long as you want -until the time you want to migrate to
> > > a piece of hardware that triggers Microsofts registration process.
> > > Then you'll most likely find they won't be issuing any more serial
> > > numbers because support has ceased.
> > > Forget putting it on a new machine. Unless you're using a hacked
> > > version, it will truly be a dead OS.

Malc

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by Malc » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:12:21


Yes they could, but would they?

The LFS Devs have said they may eventually (presumably in several year's
time) do this, but Microsoft are a different matter ;-)

Malc.

Larr

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by Larr » Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:59:59

Well, they _could_ :)

Without having it in writing from them that they will it can't be counted
on.

-Larry


> Couldnt they simply "lifetime activate" it somehow? Or leave a server that
> activates any legit key given it?



> > Mitch,

> > That's not his point...

> > When you reinstall Windows XP, you have to go through it's "Product
> > Activation".  In the future when Microsoft ceases to support XP, they
can
> > effectively FORCE every XP user on the planet (except corporate users)
to
> > upgrade.  If they turn off "Product Activation" approvals, it's all
over.

> > -Larry



> > > MS doesnt issue a License, you purchase it.  When you register XP your
> > > profile is created for the License YOU own.  So long as you dont try
to
> > > register the same License 100's of times it won't even show on MS
radar
> > > and you can use it indefinitely.

> > > Mitch

> > > <<<<---- Posted using Pineapple News for BeOS ---->>>>


> > > > In the future (probably 5 years or so), when MS drops XP support,
> > > > you're going to be hosed. Sure, you'll be able to use your existing
> > > > install for as long as you want -until the time you want to migrate
to
> > > > a piece of hardware that triggers Microsofts registration process.
> > > > Then you'll most likely find they won't be issuing any more serial
> > > > numbers because support has ceased.
> > > > Forget putting it on a new machine. Unless you're using a hacked
> > > > version, it will truly be a dead OS.

Ruud van Ga

LFS Team, What is wrong with these guys.

by Ruud van Ga » Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:52:48





>> I have but one (but major) problem with MS; their designs are overly
>> bloated, making things more complex (thus inefficient & even slow,
>> even on CPU's that do 3 billion operations per second).
>NT was quoted by MS as having 16 million lines of source code.  Of
>course, it was likely C++, which is notoriously inefficient at
>producing executable code. ;-)  I'm certain XP is much larger.

C++ isn't bad, if only for the fact that increased productivity can
lead to more efficient executables, whereas with assembly you wouldn't
have the time to optimize things (so ending up with actually worse
code, hehe).
It's just the MS makes inefficient designs; no way any code could live
up to that.

Oh, happy newyear btw. ;-)

I believe ASCII files are more transparent, in case funny things start
happening (makes it easier to try & figure out what the software is
doing). Ever wondered how the MS password/user system is done? I
haven't got a clue, but it's more intertwined than is healthy.
Also, one of the big remaining rules of computers is 'divide &
conquer'. Works for software design, hardware design etc. etc. right
up to the highest & lowest levels of programming.
The registry is ofcourse the complete opposite. Uninstalling programs
often leaves a lot of junk, downgrading performance, which becomes
noticable after some time and then unbearable. Reinstalling should not
be needed, uninstalling should just get rid of what it installed.

Fortunately I never lost my registry. :) But still, if I rightclick on
a file it sure is slow enough to avoid doing it again. :)

Ruud van Gaal
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