> I don't know about that. With the Xbox you can get on XBL and race
> MotoGP. On most nights you'll find plenty of people who will drive over
> you like you're not even there, just like GT3.
> I'd have to give my vote to the Xbox. My PS2 has been sitting in a
> drawer for 6 months.
> >I just wrote a story abt. this for Motor Trend. My conclusion: the PS2
> >rules for 2 huge reasons. 1. Steering.
> Yeah, if you demand a force feedback wheel then just give up and get a
> PS2. Personally I just stick with a gamepad on my consoles and a
> wheel on my PC since that's where all the sims live.
> > 2. Titles.
> >There are precious few Xbox-only titles (like Rallisport Challenge and
> >Gotham Racing), and they didn't show me much.
> I dunno, I still see it as "PS2 has GT3 and GTA3/Vice City, Xbox has
> everything else". Rallisport Challenge, Sega GT 2002, Project Gotham,
> Nascar Thunder 2003 (best version is on xbox), F1 2001, Moto GP,
> Wreckless, Spy Hunter, Nascar Heat 2002, Crazy Taxi 3 (that's a joke,
> son) and then the whole slew of new games that are exclusive or better
> on xbox - Apex, Mercedes-Benz World Racing, Lotus Challenge, Colin
> McRae 3, Driver 3, Midtown Madness 3, Pro Race Driver, Midnight Club
> 2, etc.
> Sports? Xbox Live-enabled Sega 2k3 games all kick ass, High Heat
> makes its debut next week, and there's also Rocky which was a great
> game. The biggest non-multiplayer exclusive is of course Dead or
> Alive: Xtreme Beach Volleyball. As if the xbox controllers aren't
> hard enough to use with 2 hands.
> The rest of the games kick ass too. Jet Set Radio Future (the reason
> I bought one to begin with, really), Splinter Cell, Halo, Panzer
> Dragoon, Mech***, Toe Jam and Earl 3, the Tony Hawk games, etc.
> Xbox lacks in quantity but more than makes up for it in quality imho.
> All of the good games coming out within the next few months are pretty
> much xbox-exclusive or better on xbox as well, based on a quick flip
> through EB's release dates.
> Do you *really* want to fiddle with memorysticks and shitty online
> support, Larry? =)
> Jason
Ahem . . . you mean: aliasing? :0)
--
Joe M.
> SOCOM is littered with people who cheat, and then you have a mix of
> 56K'ers and people on broadband. On Xbox Live you have Ghost Recon
> MotoGP, NBA2K, NFL2k, NHL2K, Unreal as well as the upcoming Project
> Gotham Racing 2. As far as online play, the PS2 can't hold a candle to
> Xbox.
Let's hope the wheel is in development and waiting for simultaneous release
with a killer game that will sell the wheel as GT3 sold Logitech wheels.
Perhaps PGR2 which will have XBL support and a greater emphasis on realism.
--
Joe M.
Well, anyway, SOCOM seems pretty realistic to me. 1 shot is enough to get
killed if it takes where it should.
> > SOCOM is littered with people who cheat, and then you have a mix of
> > 56K'ers and people on broadband. On Xbox Live you have Ghost Recon
> > MotoGP, NBA2K, NFL2k, NHL2K, Unreal as well as the upcoming Project
> > Gotham Racing 2. As far as online play, the PS2 can't hold a candle to
> > Xbox.
> Agreed. PS2 online strategy is applying a band-aid to an amputation (the
> disgusting analogy for too little too late). SOCOM is a poor man's
version
> of Ghost Recon (or any Clancy tactical shooter). Xbox was designed from
the
> ground up to be online and it's a very impressive implementation of that
> strategy. The one thing that kills me is the lack of a proper FF wheel.
> Let's hope the wheel is in development and waiting for simultaneous
release
> with a killer game that will sell the wheel as GT3 sold Logitech wheels.
> Perhaps PGR2 which will have XBL support and a greater emphasis on
realism.
> --
> Joe M.
Larry
> > SOCOM is littered with people who cheat, and then you have a mix of
> > 56K'ers and people on broadband. On Xbox Live you have Ghost Recon
> > MotoGP, NBA2K, NFL2k, NHL2K, Unreal as well as the upcoming Project
> > Gotham Racing 2. As far as online play, the PS2 can't hold a candle to
> > Xbox.
> Agreed. PS2 online strategy is applying a band-aid to an amputation (the
> disgusting analogy for too little too late). SOCOM is a poor man's
version
> of Ghost Recon (or any Clancy tactical shooter). Xbox was designed from
the
> ground up to be online and it's a very impressive implementation of that
> strategy. The one thing that kills me is the lack of a proper FF wheel.
> Let's hope the wheel is in development and waiting for simultaneous
release
> with a killer game that will sell the wheel as GT3 sold Logitech wheels.
> Perhaps PGR2 which will have XBL support and a greater emphasis on
realism.
> --
> Joe M.
Larry
> > > If you were going to buy a console for Racing/Driving and Sports
games,
> > > would you get a PS/2 or XBOX.
> > More about sports or more about racing ? 'Cause I would stick to my PC
if
> I
> > wanted good, quality racing games. Now for sports, it's a different
> thing.
> > In the end, I can only say this : GET A DREAMCAST ;)
> > --
> > -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> > -- http://ymenard.cjb.net/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...
But yeah, anyone who is a real car guy is going to want games that are
simulations and can be driven with a decent quality wheel. In that
regard the PS2 is marginally better because of the wheel support, but
I've personally never found the games to be of the quality that I
could justify buying one. If a game can be easily controlled with a
gamepad, I usually don't feel comfortable using a wheel with it and
vice versa.
If something with the quality of GPL or N2003 came out for a console
then I could probably justify the system and a wheel for it.
Jason
DRIVING: PS2, because it has GT3 and supports force-feedback wheels.
--Robbie Bach
> > SOCOM is littered with people who cheat, and then you have a mix of
> > 56K'ers and people on broadband. On Xbox Live you have Ghost Recon
> > MotoGP, NBA2K, NFL2k, NHL2K, Unreal as well as the upcoming Project
> > Gotham Racing 2. As far as online play, the PS2 can't hold a candle to
> > Xbox.
> Agreed. PS2 online strategy is applying a band-aid to an amputation (the
> disgusting analogy for too little too late). SOCOM is a poor man's
version
> of Ghost Recon (or any Clancy tactical shooter). Xbox was designed from
the
> ground up to be online and it's a very impressive implementation of that
> strategy. The one thing that kills me is the lack of a proper FF wheel.
> Let's hope the wheel is in development and waiting for simultaneous
release
> with a killer game that will sell the wheel as GT3 sold Logitech wheels.
> Perhaps PGR2 which will have XBL support and a greater emphasis on
realism.
> --
> Joe M.
That's some strange logic. By that logic, nobody should ever support new,
superior products just because there's already an established brand name.
I would have thought a true car guy would prefer realistic or at least
challenging handling - not mainstream, overhyped dribble like the Gran
Turismo series.
Sounds to me like you made the decision to go with Sony and are desperately
trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision.
Your "prediction" is a little late, MS has already talked about this
convergence long ago as part of their overall strategy (and various
publications as well). I heard the convergence speech about just such a
device by a Wall Street guru 7 years ago. So who do you like in the last
Super Bowl? :0)
MS knows this is a marathon not a sprint. If you're MS, you lose money now
to build market share over the years and win when the stakes are much
higher. I'd rather own 40% of a $100B market than 70% of a $30B market
(just throwing out numbers for illustration).
--
Joe M.
> --Robbie Bach
> > > > then again, you can get online with PS2 also, and you can always
play
> > SOCOM
> > > > right now online, or wait for GT4 - online, that will be kickass :)
> > > SOCOM is littered with people who cheat, and then you have a mix of
> > > 56K'ers and people on broadband. On Xbox Live you have Ghost Recon
> > > MotoGP, NBA2K, NFL2k, NHL2K, Unreal as well as the upcoming Project
> > > Gotham Racing 2. As far as online play, the PS2 can't hold a candle
to
> > > Xbox.
> > Agreed. PS2 online strategy is applying a band-aid to an amputation
(the
> > disgusting analogy for too little too late). SOCOM is a poor man's
> version
> > of Ghost Recon (or any Clancy tactical shooter). Xbox was designed from
> the
> > ground up to be online and it's a very impressive implementation of that
> > strategy. The one thing that kills me is the lack of a proper FF wheel.
> > Let's hope the wheel is in development and waiting for simultaneous
> release
> > with a killer game that will sell the wheel as GT3 sold Logitech wheels.
> > Perhaps PGR2 which will have XBL support and a greater emphasis on
> realism.
> > --
> > Joe M.
Jason
