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by **Greg Campbel** » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:07:07

> > Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2
> > VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode?

> If you're prepared to live with the "basic" GPL Gfx and are prepared to
> sacrifice some details on some tracks, I can't see a V2-SLi setup being
> a "bad" setup for GPL, but I would expect it to have problems with all
> the "high res" add on's that you can find these days.

A friend of mine has dual 12M V2's and runs the fancy carsets without
trouble at most tracks. He has problems (either fill rate or texture
thrashing, we're not sure) running the highres carsets at a few of the
more demanding tracks like Crystal Palace. He also has troubles with at
some of the older tracks that have been updated with 16 bit textures and
fancy skies.

-GRC

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by **nobodyspecia** » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:16:18

Shouldn't have bothered- got there 20 minutes early and there was a huge
crowd already there. Store only had a few in stock too, with no rain
checks. Walked out empty handed and kind of pissed at myself for taking
their lure.

by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:27:48

The real drawback with the V3 is the limited texture memory. GPL in it's
native form will run great on a V3 (provided you have a good cpu) but if you
want to upgrade the graphics with the new large textures, then a V5 and the
D3D patch become neccessary.
dave henrie

> Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2
> VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode?

> Just curious.

> BB

> > Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the
> > poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran
> > GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

by **Rafe McAulif** » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:35:22

The initial specs for the V3 was that it was TWICE as fast as two V2s
in SLI. The V3 3000 I had (oced from 166 to 200mhz) was pretty good
even with 3d wheels and car updates, etc. Usually fine at 1280x1024,
although some tracks I had to turn it down to 1024x768. I would
imagine that SLI V2s would have trouble running higher than 800x600,
they were limited to 1024x768 anyway.

This was all with a 1.4 ghz tbird, plenty of CPU power certainly helps
it out. :D

Rafe Mc

>Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2
>VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode?

>Just curious.

>BB

>> Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the
>> poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran
>> GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho.m

by **Rafe McAulif** » Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:37:03

I agree, that's why I dumped my V3 for a GF3. But 3DFX is still the
best option for GPL in my book. Just for every other game around that
it sucks :P

Rafe Mc

>I hear what you guys are saying but think about this. D3d looked bad with my
>voodoo. D3d with my gf3 looks a lot better. I would say that the voodoo
>working in glide is better but voodoo cards are not a good option now
>because they are out business. If you have any desire at all to upgrade to
>windows xp, then the voodoo card is a bad choice. Best buy is having a
>special tomorrow from 7-12 it was in their flier today. The gf3 ti200 is
>only $99 after a $50 mail in rebate. I am giving my voodoo 5 to my four year
>old on his computer. He is running windows me and it will work great for
>him. I always liked my voodoo cards. The v5 was the best one too. I will say
>that I like the gf3 I have better. It runs way above its stock speed of
>200/458. I am running mine at 230/540. I get 116.7 fps in quake 3 at
>1600x1200 on high. Maybe if you could find a voodoo 3 or a voodoo 5 for
>about $40 then it would not be bad. Any more than that would too much.

>> Not to mention better image quality. I'm a bit disappointed at the
>> poor level of graphics in D3D compared with Glide. My old V3 3000 ran
>> GPL very nicely, but it's not the best with other games tho. If you
>> only want GPL, then 3DFX is the best option...

>> Rafe Mc

>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:18:48 GMT, Ken MacKay

>> >Work with it! LOL. If your only interest is GPL then a Voodoo is the way
>to
>> >go. My V3 runs it nicely on a celeron 950 (but without the new cars, 3d
>wheels
>> >etc :( ). V3's are fairly cheap on ebay these days too. A V5 would be a
>wee
>> >bit better but probably not worth the extra cash, especially if your cpu
>is
>> >slow (ie less than a P3 850?). I know a couple guys still running GPL on
>V2's.

>> >Of course with the D3D patch you could run it in a TNT(2?) card but you'd
>get
>> >better performance/$ with a Voodoo card using glide.

>> >Ken

>> >> Hi,
>> >> I'm looking for a good cheap 3d video card for GPL, does anyone have
>ideas?
>> >> How does the Voodoo's work with it? I don't even have money to buy one,
>but
>> >> I still want one.. that's how cheap I want it ;-) hehe

by **Bart Brow** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 04:42:52

Thanks to everyone who responded to my V2/SLI question. So, all other
things being equal (which, of course, they never are...) if you had a
box with a good AMD processor (1GHz or better), a ton of RAM, Windows 98
(XP is a scam, so was ME) and all the necessary accoutrements, and you
had no other use for the box but ***, particularly (let's say) GPL,
GP3, N4, Superbike 2K, GP3, SCGT -- the usual suspects -- what would be
the video card of current choice to take advantage of all the textures,
add-ons, and enhancements, and still have smooth framerates?

BB

by **BRH** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:11:28

Agreed. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that my 2nd V2 allowed me
to run GPL at a higher resolution, but detail and frame rates were only
marginally better than with one.

When I got my V5, it was a BIG improvement.

> >> Considering ONLY GPL for a moment, what's the general consensus on 2
> >> VooDoo2 cards in SLI mode?

> >It should perform like the V3 AFAIK.

> Nah, I had both SLI and then a V3 - V3 was quite faster than SLI.
> Sli in itself was only marginally faster than one V2. I believe it
> only gained me 2-3 fps in GPL.

> Andre

--
Bert

by **Goy Larse** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:39:07

> Thanks to everyone who responded to my V2/SLI question. So, all other
> things being equal (which, of course, they never are...) if you had a
> box with a good AMD processor (1GHz or better), a ton of RAM, Windows 98
> (XP is a scam, so was ME) and all the necessary accoutrements, and you
> had no other use for the box but ***, particularly (let's say) GPL,
> GP3, N4, Superbike 2K, GP3, SCGT -- the usual suspects -- what would be
> the video card of current choice to take advantage of all the textures,
> add-ons, and enhancements, and still have smooth framerates?

Money no object ?

GF3 Ti500 or ATI Radeon 8500

I'm going with the ATI some time early next year as my V5 runs the only
game I'm currently playing very well and it looks superb, the game that
is, not the V5

If you're not looking to spend too much money you can get a good deal on
a GF2 PRO/TI or one of the outgoing ATI Radeon 64 MB DDR cards,
somewhere between 100 and 150 US, some people speak highly of the "Kyro"
cards as well, but I have mixed feeling about those, no personal
experience though !, with a 1 Ghz + CPU I wouldn't go with a low end GF2
MX or ATI Radeon VE

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Rafe McAulif** » Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:24:58

I agree, but would add a middle option if you want a GREAT deal for a
reasonable price. Get a GF3 ti 200 for around US$ 170-220 and
overclock it to ti 500 specs. Best brands are Leadtek and Gainward,
they are virtually guaranteed to get to the higher spec card, and also
beat it :) Visiontek are also not bad, but hit-and-miss, some do
REALLY well, others only average. Check out this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=593596
for a comprehensive roundup of everyone's results.

BTW, for those who don't know, the ti 200 runs at 175mhz core, 400 mhz
RAM. Standard GF3 is 200 core, 460 RAM. The ti 500 is at 230 core, 500
RAM. No other difference. My leadtek runs at 225 core, 540 RAM, so not
a bad buy :) Well worth it.

Rafe Mc

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