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by **jason moye** » Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:21:22

I see in the menu animations that Nurby is in the game. Since they're
including multiple configurations for each track, does anyone know if
this is just the GP circuit, or are they including the Nordschleife and
the combined track?

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:39:26

Seeing that the entire program is based upon the *current* FIA historical
series, then I think it would be safe to assume that the circuits will be
those that are currently in use.

Bruce

by **jason moye** » Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:46:44

> Seeing that the entire program is based upon the *current* FIA historical
> series, then I think it would be safe to assume that the circuits will be
> those that are currently in use.

That's what I thought too, but since they're including other current
configurations for each track, and Nurby is in the game, I was being
hopeful. :)

Do the FIA GT historic series run on both Dijon layouts?

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:16:10

I've no idea about which configuration they use at Dijon.
The calendar for 2005, on which (I assume) this sim is based, features the
following circuits, Jason.....

Hockenheim
Most
Misano
Zolder
Anderstorp
Spa
Dijon.

So I guess that the sim will feature a whole lot more than the seven
circuits over which the Championships are run.
In which case, a Nordschliefe would be perhaps be feasible.

Bruce.

> That's what I thought too, but since they're including other current
> configurations for each track, and Nurby is in the game, I was being
> hopeful. :)

> Do the FIA GT historic series run on both Dijon layouts?

by **ymenar** » Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:39:29

> Seeing that the entire program is based upon the *current* FIA historical
> series, then I think it would be safe to assume that the circuits will be
> those that are currently in use.

I think it's a shame and a missed opportunity that they will not give us any
historical version of the tracks they will ship. Wouldn't it be nice to
have "old" and "new" version of those tracks, perhaps based on the 65 and 76
season. I know it's based on the FIA historical series, but it would have
been an excellent choice to have done it that way. No additional cost of
track licensing, but you would have needed more working time for 3d modeling
and textures. Oh well.

Btw for all, the website of the official series is :
http://www.fia-historic-racing.com/

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Marc Collin** » Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:48:29

By far the number one problem with GTL is the LACK of historic tracks. I,
for one, couldn't care less if today's Hockenheim was blown off the map.
The demo is a lot of fun, but it won't replace GPL if you don't have the
complete "I can't believe they actually raced on tracks like that"
experience.

Marc

>> Seeing that the entire program is based upon the *current* FIA historical
>> series, then I think it would be safe to assume that the circuits will be
>> those that are currently in use.

> I think it's a shame and a missed opportunity that they will not give us
> any historical version of the tracks they will ship. Wouldn't it be nice
> to have "old" and "new" version of those tracks, perhaps based on the 65
> and 76 season. I know it's based on the FIA historical series, but it
> would have been an excellent choice to have done it that way. No
> additional cost of track licensing, but you would have needed more working
> time for 3d modeling and textures. Oh well.

> Btw for all, the website of the official series is :
> http://www.fia-historic-racing.com/

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
> Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **ymenar** » Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:03:55

> By far the number one problem with GTL is the LACK of historic tracks. I,
> for one, couldn't care less if today's Hockenheim was blown off the map.
> The demo is a lot of fun, but it won't replace GPL if you don't have the
> complete "I can't believe they actually raced on tracks like that"
> experience.

That's exactly why that, at least, they should have given use historical
version of all the FIA tracks they use currently, according to either how
they were in 1965 or 1976 (the years the FIA are having the series).

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **whoo** » Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:43:57

>>By far the number one problem with GTL is the LACK of historic tracks. I,
>>for one, couldn't care less if today's Hockenheim was blown off the map.
>>The demo is a lot of fun, but it won't replace GPL if you don't have the
>>complete "I can't believe they actually raced on tracks like that"
>>experience.

> That's exactly why that, at least, they should have given use historical
> version of all the FIA tracks they use currently, according to either how
> they were in 1965 or 1976 (the years the FIA are having the series).

Would have been a licensing nightmare, maybe?

by **ymenar** » Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:04:38

>> That's exactly why that, at least, they should have given use historical
>> version of all the FIA tracks they use currently, according to either how
>> they were in 1965 or 1976 (the years the FIA are having the series).

> Would have been a licensing nightmare, maybe?

Since they already own the licensing for those tracks, I don't see any major
problem. Dealing with the FIA and the specific tracks, just tell them :

"We might model your tracks in past versions of them, considering those are
historical cars, to give our customers a driving experience that is
different. It'll be a big selling point".

Anyway when you model a track, it's already outdated by the time the sim is
out. So technically it's the same. Heck when you sign papers for
licensing, they give the rights to model it, they don't say "it must be the
terrain and the track between 2004 and 2006".

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **Rich** » Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:23:04

Correct me if I'm wrong but what if when the track was used back in 76
"Turn-key Inc" owned it and now in its current config "Furby Inc" owns
it would this mean you'd have to contact that original company to
create that version of the track or does FIA have say so over every
varation of a track ?

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:04:38 -0400, "ymenard"

>>> That's exactly why that, at least, they should have given use historical
>>> version of all the FIA tracks they use currently, according to either how
>>> they were in 1965 or 1976 (the years the FIA are having the series).

>> Would have been a licensing nightmare, maybe?

>Since they already own the licensing for those tracks, I don't see any major
>problem. Dealing with the FIA and the specific tracks, just tell them :

>"We might model your tracks in past versions of them, considering those are
>historical cars, to give our customers a driving experience that is
>different. It'll be a big selling point".

>Anyway when you model a track, it's already outdated by the time the sim is
>out. So technically it's the same. Heck when you sign papers for
>licensing, they give the rights to model it, they don't say "it must be the
>terrain and the track between 2004 and 2006".

by **Jeff Rei** » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 01:26:13

Who owns the Nordeschleife now? Who do the fees go to when people
pay to run the course?

by **Rich** » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:40:58

I thought it was considered a public road so it would be Germany or
the city that the track is located I would guess....

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:26:13 -0700, "Jeff Reid"

>> Correct me if I'm wrong but what if when the track was used back in 76
>> "Turn-key Inc" owned it and now in its current config "Furby Inc" owns
>> it would this mean you'd have to contact that original company to
>> create that version of the track or does FIA have say so over every
>> varation of a track ?

>Who owns the Nordeschleife now? Who do the fees go to when people
>pay to run the course?

by **ymenar** » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:27:07

>I thought it was considered a public road so it would be Germany or
> the city that the track is located I would guess....

I take nothing out of the quality of GTL as a sim, or the historical reason
of the FIA series. But it's such a waste of development time to give us
such bland tracks for such great cars. It's like the total opposites here,
we have some incredible fun to drive cars, from various historical years,
the envy of many people here to finally have the chance to drive them, and
we're stuck with bland modern neutralised "Tilke-ed" tracks.

Of course there's a couple of good ones (Spa...Anderstorp... Mondello...
Monza errr that's about it). And oh yeah third-party tracks, but we all
know that they are sometimes far from perfect, and they take time to create.

SimBin/10tacle imho does a great job at modelling tracks, the detail is
impressive, even outside the track. They should have put more money/working
men into trying to give us older version of the tracks. Even if it involves
more licensing.

It will be the pet peeve of many people here, the kind of ommision where
people won't actually buy the sim or bring new people to the sim by word of
mouth.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimago-Dominguez
Corporation - helping America into the New World...

by **jason moye** » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:18:59

> I take nothing out of the quality of GTL as a sim, or the historical reason
> of the FIA series. But it's such a waste of development time to give us
> such bland tracks for such great cars. It's like the total opposites here,
> we have some incredible fun to drive cars, from various historical years,
> the envy of many people here to finally have the chance to drive them, and
> we're stuck with bland modern neutralised "Tilke-ed" tracks.

This is probably going to sound weird, but I wish someone would do a
sim that focused on American road racing circuits. It wouldn't even
have to simulate any particular series...just a general collection of
great American tracks. A few ***ones for historical value
(Cleveland, Sebring) and then the classics...Lime Rock, Road Atlanta,
Road America, Watkins Glen, Portland, Long Beach, Laguna Seca, Mid
Ohio, the great Canadian tracks (Mosport, Mont Tremblant,
Trois-Rivieres), maybe throw in Mexico City, have multiple
configurations of each track in both modern and historical form.

I think a really great sim could be made with the quasi-fictional style
cars of LFS but with a collection of great licensed tracks. It would
probably interest me more than some of the fully-licensed stuff like
GTR and GTL.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:33:40

I fully endorse this suggestion but why not go one step further and include,
as part of the package, the cars from the 1960's Can-Am and TransAm series?
:) :)

Now *there's* a novel idea!!! :)

Bruce.

that focused on American road racing circuits. ........etc

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