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by **David L. Coo** » Thu, 30 Mar 2000 04:00:00

You would count on Papy going backwards over the last year?

Actually all I expect is what I saw in the movie that was released over a
year ago - plus any additional features such as Intellivibe and RS Shifter
support that are new since then (and now part of N3). If what you see is so
much different than that then what we saw then I would be very dissappointed
indeed.

--David Cook

by **Joel Belo** » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Hmmm ... interesting thread here. Say, btw, who are these beta testers,
considering Papyrus hasn't sent anything out to beta testers.

<disclaimer> Include all standard disclaimers ... My opnions are my own, I
just want to clear stuff up and reduce and possible FUD. I'm not implying
anything about anything.

Joel

> Frank, it is a very stripped down game model! It was okay but it didn't
>blow me away. I haven't asked to see the very latest build because I have
>other games I'm working on right now.

> Pete

>> > The second product? If you mean the GPL engine you are wrong!
>> > Having seen N4 it is a very stripped down GPL with lots of code
>> > from the past, still lots of familiar bugs!

>> But it's the new game engine Pete.

>> --
>> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
>> -- May the Downforce be with you...
>> -- http://www.WeRace.net
>> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
>realise
>> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Pete** » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

David, the way Papy does those movies at times(from personal knowledge)
leaves a bit to be desired. You have to remember that artists can alter
things
to look very much different from the finished products. The screen shots you
will see released from time to time are nothing more than artists renderings
and aren't actually captured from the game. The early beta I saw that was
close
to the GPL version in terms of physics and this was from before N3 was
released looked good but framed very badly on a high powered system at
that time. It was almost unplayable and reminded me of GP2 when it first
came out in terms of system requirements. This was when I started ***ing
it was time for a overhaul of their game engine, which everyone roundly
trashed me. There are still physics bugs in the game going back to the
original
Indy Car and they have never been addressed. Believe me I tried to get these
things
changed. I and others probably ***ed too much and thats why I don't beta
test
for them anymore. They don't take critiquing very well. And its not always
the
fault of the people whose names at Papy that we recognize, bean counting
bozos
is the name that comes to mind.
I remember seeing screen shots of GPL being released and laughing, as
they were
facsimiles of artists rendering I saw when I was in Boston at Papyrus. I
could tell
some interesting stories of things I heard and saw but I won't to protect
the few people
that are left from those days. The days, I was there they had their first
working copy of
the N2 beta and I wasn't even interested. We spent all our time looking at
the artists
work on the then unannounced GPL! It took our breath away! N2 beta who
cares! :-)
I don't know whether that incident played any role in them getting rid of
their open
office concept because they didn't let too many outsiders go through at that
time. The
next person I knew that took the tour got to see only very limited scripted
pieces of
info as the office look had changed completely.
I could go on but I won't bore you. I will ask to see the game again and
take a little
more interest this time. I will give you details but I won't post them.
If you think I'm anti Papy your are wrong! I would love nothing better
than to see a
state of the art N4 released but after seeing first hand what goes on behind
scenes and
how they have treated their best employees and how few of them still work
there. It
saddens me! I sit and think how far ahead of their time Papyrus was all
those years ago and
how now the big shots drive their Ferrari's around the race track and tell
the employees
budget restrictions don't allow them to spend the time correcting bugs.
Ironic! I guess I
should be happy that they continue to release anything at all but like some
sports teams
they only play hard enough to win not blow away the competition.

Pete

> > I would count on it!

> You would count on Papy going backwards over the last year?

> > I'm not saying N4 is going to be terrible, I will be buying it. But if
> > you think you will be seeing a Nascar GPL-reincarnate you are
> > sadly mistaken

> Actually all I expect is what I saw in the movie that was released over a
> year ago - plus any additional features such as Intellivibe and RS Shifter
> support that are new since then (and now part of N3). If what you see is
so
> much different than that then what we saw then I would be very
dissappointed
> indeed.

> --David Cook

by **Pete** » Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:00:00

Joel, they carry two levels of beta testers! Or at least they used to!
When you are in with in crowd you get all kinds of nice little perks!
Been there done that! If you use enough "Chap Stick" you could be one
too! :-) If you don't know who the inner circle are you haven't been
around long enough if you are a beta tester or you know one!

Pete

by **Scott Sanfor** » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hmm, Joel works at Papy. Don't you think he might just know if any builds
have been sent out.

Scott

> Joel, they carry two levels of beta testers! Or at least they used to!
> When you are in with in crowd you get all kinds of nice little perks!
> Been there done that! If you use enough "Chap Stick" you could be one
> too! :-) If you don't know who the inner circle are you haven't been
> around long enough if you are a beta tester or you know one!

> Pete

> > Hmmm ... interesting thread here. Say, btw, who are these beta
testers,
> > considering Papyrus hasn't sent anything out to beta testers.

> > <disclaimer> Include all standard disclaimers ... My opnions are my own,
> I
> > just want to clear stuff up and reduce and possible FUD. I'm not
implying
> > anything about anything.

> > Joel

by **Pete** » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Thats hilarious then! Must be Papy employees leaking out their
betas then! If i'm blowing smoke(my words) why has Papy emailed
me! :-) Oh, well we shall see! But I suspect the inner circle crowd
have taken some heat for the leaks. Lets call them unofficial betas
if that would make Joel happy.
Joel, say hi to Matson for me, Charlie is gone but not forgotten!

Pete

> Hmm, Joel works at Papy. Don't you think he might just know if any builds
> have been sent out.

> Scott

> > Joel, they carry two levels of beta testers! Or at least they used
to!
> > When you are in with in crowd you get all kinds of nice little perks!
> > Been there done that! If you use enough "Chap Stick" you could be one
> > too! :-) If you don't know who the inner circle are you haven't been
> > around long enough if you are a beta tester or you know one!

> > Pete

by **Dave Henri** » Sat, 01 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Perhaps Papy is going to follow the ID model and make N4 online only?
(don't ya just love starting rumours?) I want online users to be my pit
crew, and I want native rendition support hahahaha really I just want
the letter Q removed from the alphabit.
dave henrie

> On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:23:34 GMT, Skotty Flynn

> >Nascar 4 is planned to be released this year from what I hear and
> >according to Papyrus, much will be revealed about Nascar 4 at the E3
> >Expo on May 11-13, and their confident no one will be disappointed.

> >This is what I hear, so take it for what its worth :)

> 10-4 on that, I'm done getting e***d about a new NR release from
> Sierra/Papyrus until I know what they've done to it....

> I'm not holding my breath and have ZERO intention of running out and
> buying N4 as soon as it hits the shelf - I'm waiting until I hear some
> good things about it 'cause if it's yet another N2 upgrade, why
> bother?

by **Benjam** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Perhaps Papy is going to follow the ID model and make N4 online only?
>(don't ya just love starting rumours?) I want online users to be my pit
>crew, and I want native rendition support hahahaha really I just want
>the letter Q removed from the alphabit.
>dave henrie

Cripes, I hope not.... that would be about right though - finally get
everything right and leave out the single-drive... I absolutely love
the head-to-head racing too (although I haven't been able to do any
serious races since N11111! - that was for Sierra (and it's not my
***y connection..) ) but I also like to get into a full, drawn out
season at my leisure too...

I would hate to be answering the phones on release day if they did
make it online-only... <G>

by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> Perhaps Papy is going to follow the ID model and make N4 online only?
> (don't ya just love starting rumours?) I want online users to be my pit
> crew, and I want native rendition support hahahaha really I just want
> the letter Q removed from the alphabit.

Actually, that's not a joke Dave, Jan Kohl got a bit of inside info the
other day from someone at Papy, and they don't think they can go much
further with the AI, and since noone is happy with the state of the AI
and 90% of the customers will mostly play it online anyway, they have
decided to drop the AI in favor of a much improved online code....warp
free racing with up to 43 cars, and you can host on 28.8 modem too, way
cool

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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by **Ronald Stoeh** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

snip

> Actually, that's not a joke Dave, Jan Kohl got a bit of inside info the
> other day from someone at Papy, and they don't think they can go much
> further with the AI, and since noone is happy with the state of the AI
> and 90% of the customers will mostly play it online anyway, they have
> decided to drop the AI in favor of a much improved online code....warp
> free racing with up to 43 cars, and you can host on 28.8 modem too, way
> cool

Wow, where did you get that 90% number? Is that just optimism of a
online
racer?

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by **Chuck Kandle** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> snip

> > Actually, that's not a joke Dave, Jan Kohl got a bit of inside info the
> > other day from someone at Papy, and they don't think they can go much
> > further with the AI, and since noone is happy with the state of the AI
> > and 90% of the customers will mostly play it online anyway, they have
> > decided to drop the AI in favor of a much improved online code....warp
> > free racing with up to 43 cars, and you can host on 28.8 modem too, way
> > cool

> Wow, where did you get that 90% number? Is that just optimism of a
> online
> racer?

Hehehe. Missed it completely.....................

--
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by **Goy Larse** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> > snip

> > > Actually, that's not a joke Dave, Jan Kohl got a bit of inside info the
> > > other day from someone at Papy, and they don't think they can go much
> > > further with the AI, and since noone is happy with the state of the AI
> > > and 90% of the customers will mostly play it online anyway, they have
> > > decided to drop the AI in favor of a much improved online code....warp
> > > free racing with up to 43 cars, and you can host on 28.8 modem too, way
> > > cool

> > Wow, where did you get that 90% number? Is that just optimism of a
> > online
> > racer?

> Hehehe. Missed it completely.....................

...and I thought fer sure that hosting a 43 car field on a 28.8 modem
would give it away...:-)))

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

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"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

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by **Dave Henri** » Sun, 02 Apr 2000 04:00:00

You mean????

dave henrie

by **Chuck Kandle** » Mon, 03 Apr 2000 05:00:00

> ...and I thought fer sure that hosting a 43 car field on a 28.8 modem
> would give it away...:-)))

Yup. That sealed it for me. ;-)

--
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K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Competitor in the TopGear MGPRS2 league at:
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And spit in your face,
But legends never die. --Gene Simmons

by **Tim Wheatle** » Mon, 03 Apr 2000 05:00:00

i've never read more crap! oh yes i have, the last time the bible scriptures
were carved into my excretions!

> > Perhaps Papy is going to follow the ID model and make N4 online only?
> > (don't ya just love starting rumours?) I want online users to be my pit
> > crew, and I want native rendition support hahahaha really I just want
> > the letter Q removed from the alphabit.

> Actually, that's not a joke Dave, Jan Kohl got a bit of inside info the
> other day from someone at Papy, and they don't think they can go much
> further with the AI, and since noone is happy with the state of the AI
> and 90% of the customers will mostly play it online anyway, they have
> decided to drop the AI in favor of a much improved online code....warp
> free racing with up to 43 cars, and you can host on 28.8 modem too, way
> cool

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy

> "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/
> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way *
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