rec.autos.simulators

> realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
> would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
> so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
> included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

>Wow, you guys came up with three 'flipping' wrecks in how many THOUSANDS
>of laps driven?  Fact is flips are VERY rare now and hardly deserving of
>the processor hogging calculations they would require.  Can you imagine
>how difficult it is to realistically model a three dimensionally spinning
>object being impacted at different directions and forces.  Even if they
>could make the flips realistic the game would slow to a crawl while the
>computer tried to determine how the car should react.  Ever notice the
>flipping cars in arcade games?  They don't act realistic at all, they
>simply bounce around some.  I think the majority of people are looking for
>realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
>would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
>so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
>included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

> Wow, you guys came up with three 'flipping' wrecks in how many THOUSANDS
> of laps driven?  Fact is flips are VERY rare now and hardly deserving of
> the processor hogging calculations they would require.  Can you imagine
> how difficult it is to realistically model a three dimensionally spinning
> object being impacted at different directions and forces.  Even if they
> could make the flips realistic the game would slow to a crawl while the
> computer tried to determine how the car should react.  Ever notice the
> flipping cars in arcade games?  They don't act realistic at all, they
> simply bounce around some.  I think the majority of people are looking for
> realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
> would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
> so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
> included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

>Enzo,
>Your right about tumbling car crashes.  It is pretty apparent that the
>responses you received were from people who are relatively  new to NASCAR.
>I wonder if they know why NASCAR came up with roof flaps in the first
>place.  I would bet you that they don't even know who the other drivers
>refer to as Bumper.  I'll I can say is these boys need to study the history
>of NASCAR before they make such uneducated comments.
>TJ

>> Wow, you guys came up with three 'flipping' wrecks in how many THOUSANDS
>> of laps driven?  Fact is flips are VERY rare now and hardly deserving of
>> the processor hogging calculations they would require.  Can you imagine
>> how difficult it is to realistically model a three dimensionally spinning
>> object being impacted at different directions and forces.  Even if they
>> could make the flips realistic the game would slow to a crawl while the
>> computer tried to determine how the car should react.  Ever notice the
>> flipping cars in arcade games?  They don't act realistic at all, they
>> simply bounce around some.  I think the majority of people are looking for
>> realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
>> would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
>> so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
>> included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

>I agree.  I want as much detail and realism as possible but at the same
>time the game should still be smooth.  I won't sacrifice performance for
>a flippin' wreck.  I do however wish there were more wrecks which could
>be attributed to something other than the "bananna peel" effect.

> > realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
> > would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
> > so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
> > included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

> Flips are for Arcade games. I'd much rather have more setup options.

>writes:
>> Flips are for Arcade games. I'd much rather have more setup options.

>Flips for flip's sake is arcadish. Agreed!
>But flips as an inherent possibility because
>the >>3D<< engine is very realistic is another matter.

>If the car can move off the ground(over kerbs)
>it should also roll in the air.

>But that is not a way to achieve good lap times, is it? :)

>--
>--- Terje Wold Johansen

> > > realism when they buy this sim.  And short of a Cray I don't think Papyrus
> > > would be able to accurately or realistically portray flipping cars.  And
> > > so what if something that happens every once every 6,000 miles isn't
> > > included?  I hardly think sim fans our being cheated.

> > Flips are for Arcade games. I'd much rather have more setup options.

> Flips for flip's sake is arcadish. Agreed!
> But flips as an inherent possibility because
> the >>3D<< engine is very realistic is another matter.

> If the car can move off the ground(over kerbs)
> it should also roll in the air.

> But that is not a way to achieve good lap times, is it? :)

> --
> --- Terje Wold Johansen

> --- http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjjo/
> --- "I am your inferior superior." O.W.