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AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

Dave Henri

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Dave Henri » Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:47:03

  My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asus mb.
the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter than my
1.1ghz.  Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits?
dave henrie
Matt Wilso

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Matt Wilso » Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:36:01

Hi Dave,

It sounds a touch hot, most of the Athalons 1.3 up, I not only have the
heatsink and fan on, but also have TWO case airflow exit fans as well,
you'll see the positions for these above the serial & parallel ports and
poss also on the front at the bottom depending on the case.

Also make sure the glue for the heatsink has been applied because in most
cases the heatsink NEEDS to be 'flush' on the processor.

Possibly overkill - but you can't be too sure.

Regards,
Matt Wilson


Doug Schneide

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Doug Schneide » Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:03:10

That's kinda warm but the chip should survive it.  A lot depends on what kind
of fan/heatsink combo is installed.  We build a lot of Athlon systems and use
Coolermaster's EP5-6151 unit (www.coolermaster.com).  So far, it
characteristically drops CPU temps at least 10 degrees lower than most OEM
units, and it doesn't break the bank.  Another thing we do is, whatever paste
or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure the surface
of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat and burr/pit
free.  Make sure the CPU die itself is also clean, then apply a thin film of
quality heatsink grease to the surface of the die only, don't slather it over
the whole CPU.  The thermal interface between the die and the heatsink is
critical, so you can't be too careful here.  Once that's been taken care of,
check your temps, and if they're still not to your liking, start adding case
fans or run with the side cover off.  Good luck.

                    Doug


>   My son's friend just got an AMD 1.4ghz chip + ddr memory with an Asus mb.
> the bios is reporting 60 degrees Celsius, which was about 9c hotter than my
> 1.1ghz.  Is he baking the chip or is that still within temperature limits?
> dave henrie

Bill and Ben, the flower pot men

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Bill and Ben, the flower pot men » Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:22:45

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:03:10 GMT, Doug Schneider


>Another thing we do is, whatever paste
>or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure the surface
>of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat and burr/pit
>free.  

Yea, a good way to do this is to get some fine grit sand paper and
smooth the surface of that heat sink down. Some people even sand down
the cpu core, but I haven't done that myself.
Charlie Busche

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Charlie Busche » Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:36:46

  Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a
chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth
5-10 fps IMO.  Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a
chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc.
  Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will drop
to 96*F when at idle.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif

  Charlie


> >Another thing we do is, whatever paste
> >or pad or pink glop comes on the unit, remove it all, and make sure the
surface
> >of the unit where it contacts the CPU is absolutely smooth, flat and
burr/pit
> >free.

> Yea, a good way to do this is to get some fine grit sand paper and
> smooth the surface of that heat sink down. Some people even sand down
> the cpu core, but I haven't done that myself.

Bill and Ben, the flower pot men

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Bill and Ben, the flower pot men » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:44:30

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"


>  Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a
>chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth
>5-10 fps IMO.  Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a
>chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc.
>  Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will drop
>to 96*F when at idle.
>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif

>  Charlie

I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments
in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their
heatsinks.
Charlie Busche

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Charlie Busche » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:21:55

lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's
that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its called
lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when
you say that you sand your heatsink?

  Charlie



> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"

> >  Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with a
> >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem worth
> >5-10 fps IMO.  Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have a
> >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc.
> >  Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will
drop
> >to 96*F when at idle.
> >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif

> >  Charlie

> I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments
> in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their
> heatsinks.

Dave Henri

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Dave Henri » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:26:06

  ok regardless of who's the real 'weanie'  Should he have the thermal past
only on the small raised rectangle in the center of the chip or all the
chip's surface.  And what about those 4 *** footies(sorry for using
technical language) on the top of the chip in the 4 corners.??
dave henrie

> lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's
> that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its called
> lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when
> you say that you sand your heatsink?

>   Charlie


message

> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"

> > >  Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes with
a
> > >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem
worth
> > >5-10 fps IMO.  Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to have
a
> > >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc.
> > >  Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will
> drop
> > >to 96*F when at idle.
> > >http://www.racesimcentral.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif

> > >  Charlie

> > I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments
> > in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their
> > heatsinks.

Charlie Busche

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Charlie Busche » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:40:08

*** feet are to stabilize and take pressure off the processor when the
heatsink and fan are clamped down. It doesnt take much paste to be
sufficient. here is a link for some good info on applying thermal compound.
http://www.racesimcentral.net/

  Charlie


>   ok regardless of who's the real 'weanie'  Should he have the thermal
past
> only on the small raised rectangle in the center of the chip or all the
> chip's surface.  And what about those 4 *** footies(sorry for using
> technical language) on the top of the chip in the 4 corners.??
> dave henrie


> > lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's
> > that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its
called
> > lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as
when
> > you say that you sand your heatsink?

> >   Charlie


> message

> > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:36:46 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"

> > > >  Nice OE AMD. Why should an end user have to go to these extremes
with
> a
> > > >chip? Oh yeah forgot AMD 1.4 is $8 cheaper than the P4. Doesnt seem
> worth
> > > >5-10 fps IMO.  Yes, I forgot the MB is $30 more. Thats $38 more to
have
> a
> > > >chip that runs at 104*F avg.(38* C) using OEM fan etc.
> > > >  Heres a screen shot of my processors temp after leaving N4. It will
> > drop
> > > >to 96*F when at idle.
> > > >http://www.racesimcentral.net/~hans7/cputemp.gif

> > > >  Charlie

> > > I had my suspicions about you being an Intel weenie after the comments
> > > in another thread, now you just confirmed it. Real men sand their
> > > heatsinks.

John Simmon

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by John Simmon » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:33:01



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Bill and Ben, the flower pot men

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Bill and Ben, the flower pot men » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:39:28

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"


>lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's
>that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its called
>lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as when
>you say that you sand your heatsink?

>  Charlie

What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above.
You're just a puppet in my hands.

I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may
not know what lapping means.  

Charlie Busche

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Charlie Busche » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:48:03

Is owning both unimaginable to you? Whats next pics of my systems? Enjoy
your EZ-bake oven.
 Charlie



> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"

> >lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2 1.2's
> >that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its
called
> >lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as
when
> >you say that you sand your heatsink?

> >  Charlie

> What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above.
> You're just a puppet in my hands.

> I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may
> not know what lapping means.

Charlie Busche

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Charlie Busche » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:07:07

  I misinterpreted your post. I'm putty in your hands ya big stud.

  Charlie


> Is owning both unimaginable to you? Whats next pics of my systems? Enjoy
> your EZ-bake oven.
>  Charlie


message

> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 16:21:55 GMT, "Charlie Buscher"

> > >lol, hit a nerve that quick? FYI I own an AMD 1.33 and I've sold 2
1.2's
> > >that I've built, beside the P4.  Any more comments? I have one, Its
> called
> > >lapping. You do realize how much of a weenie you present your self as
> when
> > >you say that you sand your heatsink?

> > >  Charlie

> > What a sucker! I made that post to elicit the exact response above.
> > You're just a puppet in my hands.

> > I know it's called lapping, but it means sanding and some people may
> > not know what lapping means.

Paul Saunder

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Paul Saunder » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:15


I too, just bought an Athlon1400 with an ASUS MB.  Couldn't get it working
properly for a week or so, couldn't install Windows, kept crashing.  Temp
was averaging 60 degrees.

Then I applied a very thin layer of thermal paste between the processor and
the heatsink.  Average temperature dropped by 12 degrees.  Windows then
installed fine, and everything now works fine.  It warms up to about 57
after a few hours use though, if I leave the case on, so I'm leaving it off
for now.  Need to get a case fan.

Paul

Rafe McAulif

AMD 1.4ghz too hot?

by Rafe McAulif » Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:00:27

Dave, you MUST have thermal paste, otherwise you'll have thermal
fusion! Only on the die of the CPU, which contacts the actual
heatsink, none on the ceramic section with the resistors, bridges,
etc.

The *** feet are purely to stabilise the heatsink and keep it flat
against the die surface, and make sure it doesn't 'rock' to one side,
creating an air gap.

I'd suggest that you should be able to get the temp down to below 50
deg. My 1ghz athlon runs at around 45 when oc'ed to 1.4 ghz, so and
original 1.4 ghz chip should be doing better. More ventilation through
your case may also be required.

Rafe Mc




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